NO JUSTICE ON THE JUSTICE FORUM - NOR WILL THERE EVER BE

Chinagirl
Full Member

WHERE ARE THE MODERATORS?
« on: Today at 01:31:44 PM »
I realise they can't be here 24/7, but surely they could be around a little more frequently?

It is now some seven hours since I reported those series of scurrilous and libellous posts by Luz, and they have still not been removed. They have, of course, been copied and screencapped all over the place, with corresponding ridicule of this forum for having degenerated into nothing more than another "anti" forum which encourages denigration of the McCanns.

Is this what the management here wants?

debunker
Jr. Member

Why am I on a 40% warning level.
« on: Today at 03:35:32 PM »
No mod or admin has criticised anything I have posted, yet I am warned.

What sort of place is this.

debunker
Jr. Member

Re: Why am I on a 40% warning level.
« Reply #1 on: Today at 03:39:45 PM »
Looks like it was Angelo 222 last night at 1.30 when he was making unsubstantiated statements, and I was challenging him for cites.

I received no notification. A little underhand wouldn't you say.

I have PM'd admin, but have still not had a reply from them about Angelo 222's removal of the posts that embarrassed him.

The warning says:

Argumentative and disruptive after being allowed back.

AnneGuedes
Executive Member

Re: Why am I on a 40% warning level.
« Reply #15 on: Today at 04:03:04 PM »
I reported Mr D's rudeness. Insults have no part in debates. They're just arbitrary, negative, gratuitous, in a word unacceptable.

Mo Stache
Jr. Member

Re: Why am I on a 40% warning level.
« Reply #21 on: Today at 04:48:02 PM »

Quote from: AnneGuedes on Today at 04:03:04 PM
I reported Mr D's rudeness. Insults have no part in debates. They're just arbitrary, negative, gratuitous, in a word unacceptable.

Odd, I have done the same to others who behaved in the way you described YET they never got any sanctions; none! It's quite obvious that if you post drunk and are abusive you are allowed to 'misbehave', but as soon as you question how forum rules are administered then suddenly all eyes are on the person asking the questions with anti's jumping to support Admin and Mods.
How do you think this looks to those outside looking in?

Mo Stache
Jr. Member

Re: Why am I on a 40% warning level.
« Reply #27 on: Today at 05:06:14 PM »

Quote from: debunker on Today at 05:04:28 PM
I think it was just a vengeful act by a Moderator who had been shown to be completely in error over four successive statements he made and refused to back up with cites or references.

Sounds more like a personal vendetta than the fair administration of forum rules.

Gilet:

The very idea that this woman, AnneGuedes, had the slightest involvement with the translations of the PJ files makes me shudder. To have claimed that, whilst demonstrating such excruciatingly poor understanding of English, goes some way to explaining why there are so many flaws in those translations.

Exactly the same thing happened to me. I posted information but was told I was lying by Angelo222 who deleted the posts so that I could not then prove otherwise. If a moderator has a problem with a post it should not be his place to simply delete that post and call the poster a liar. He should perhaps edit the post or challenge the post.

For repeatedly challenging him over his behaviour I was put on 50% warning with the probability of a ban to follow. So I decided to have nothing to do with the place for a while.

The moderation of this forum is completely ridiculous. An apparently drunken poster is allowed every night of the week to post atrocious abuse completely trashing every thread she enters. There are almost no sanctions for her behaviour. It is simply deleted as if it never happened. Time after time the threads are disrupted deliberately or otherwise by this abusive poster. But for challenging moderators to back up their claims (when they simply delete posts to make themselves look good) people are threatened with bans.  

There are so many spurious claims now, repetitive mantras inserted into forums for no reason other than disruption, so many claims made with no basis in fact, so many bizarrely phrased pieces of nonsense from a supposed translator, so many threads deliberately taken off topic etc. that the forum is becoming totally pointless.

Unless moderators wish to moderate the forum, keep threads on topic and stop the abuse then it will continue to look like the playground for a drunk and the home of people who are unwilling to leave the past behind and concentrate on what actually happened to Madeleine McCann.

Debunker:

I am interested that you too had problems with Angelo 222, and that he erased your posts that he found embarrassing- did you complain.

I have repeatedly PMd mods when they show up on the board and PMd Admin and John.

No response at all!

Sadie:

I second that.

One set of standards and rules for the haters/sceptics and another for any supporters of the Mccanns.

Can we have a level playing field please ?  

Can the wumming and deliberate taking of threads off course be stopped?  

The abuse has slowed, since other internet places have publicly commented, but can it be stopped altogether please.

Gilet:

I complained and was told that to repeatedly complain would land me in further trouble. I demanded an apology but received none. So I gave up posting for a while. There was no point posting when I knew that I was posting correctly but could never prove it because moderators who disagreed simply deleted posts

Debunker:

I probably won't stay if that is the case.

I only really come for the amusement of dealing with incredibly biased and unaware people- their ability to maintain any sense of purpose when even SY has turned into an organisation they cannot accept. Even if an abductor was arrested and found guilty, they would still find an excuse to continue to lambast the McCanns. Really sad people.

It is now six hours since I made my first PM complaint about the warning without a warning. Have there been no mods and admin for six whole hours?

Faithlilly
Hero Member

Re: Why am I on a 40% warning level.
« Reply #57 on: Today at 07:01:56 PM »

Quote from: Eleanor on Today at 06:25:57 PM
"On AN unacceptably rude poster." You seriously need to address your use of The English Language, which most of us cannot even begin to understand. You do not impress anyone at all.
You are trying far too hard to appear proficient when in fact you are not. This doesn't say much for your translations.

And let's hope after that UNACCEPTABLY rude post you also receive some kind of sanction.

You are the limit Eleanor. Not a squeak from you then, like the proverbial coward hiding behind the bigger bully's back, you appear as soon as debunker does. Shameful behaviour !!

sadie
Hero Member

Eleanor is NO coward and NEVER has been

She is right about Anne.  All this posturing with the use of pompous words and grandiose foreign phrases is an affectation  ... and not acceptable, or useful, in a forum such as this.
Plain english is what is needed.

debunker

I suspect that people don't understand how solid Eleanor is.

I have known her for nearly six years and she reminds me of an older lady I nursed who had epilepsy and needed constant help with walking. We supported this shell of a person for three years. When she died it emerged that she was part of the SOE forces parachuted into France during the war. Hard as nails.

That's mu model for Eleanor- apparently a frail old woman, actually an intellectual amazon!

Debunker:

Should a forum Admin:

1/ pm someone if they are put on a watch list
2/ respond promptly to complaints about moderator bias and abuse.

Chinagirl:

Certainly it would be courteous for them to do so, and is the norm on other forums I've posted on, but not here, apparently, where comments and whole threads are removed without a word to the originator. Poor treatment, in my opinion, of people who have taken the trouble to contribute to this board, pro or anti.

Debunker:

Yes, I totally intellectually humiliated Angelo 222 last night and he has wreaked his revenge. I suppose Admin will support him

Chinagirl
Full Member

Re: Should a forum Admin:
« Reply #5 on: Today (7 August 2013) at 10:12:40 PM »
I started a thread a couple of days ago with suggestions for improving the quality of this board and its moderation, but had no response from the management team here.

Given the lack of interest by those who run this place, and the lack of response to Debunker's PM (and mine), one can only conclude that there is no desire to make this a serious forum discussing the Madeleine case - they would be happy to see it turn into another anti-McCann site.

LOL! Have you seen the average standard of literacy on MM and Controversy?

"Madaline could off bin put in a fridge it sais so in goncolas book he has a ace up his sleve" etc etc.

AnneGuedes
Executive Member

Re: Why am I on a 40% warning level.
« Reply #84 on: Today at 10:11:09 PM »
Someone who poisons mice and watches them bleeding to death ! Someone whose dog unfortunately ate the mice poison and was sick !
And all the lady says is that it cost her 99 euros at the Vet !
Bravo !

Oh do f..k off. You are much more interested in my life than I have ever been interested in yours. But then my life is probably so much more interesting. You really are vile. My dog survived for several years. In fact that happened five years ago. Have you been stalking me? Is it so important to you that you have to tell this Forum of what happened to my silly dog that long ago? That I paid my Vet 99 Euros to save his life? What a really revolting person you are.

Quote from: AnneGuedes on August 07, 2013, 11:52:26 PM
Fine then, no problem ! I just wanted to say "As you have blocked me from answering via PM" isn't true.

DCI
You sent me this PM
I don't post now on this forum. I guess you understand why.

I tried to reply and this came up
User 'AnneGuedes' has blocked your personal message.

davel

what has happened to debunker
«  on: Today at 08:12:07 AM »
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anyone have details

Jazzy

« Reply #1 on: Today at 08:21:12 AM »

Possibly a spat with the forum's serial abuser yesterday, the one kept here at all costs?

Jazzy

« Reply #2 on: Today at 08:27:08 AM »

User does not exist? Shame that, logic and facts always help a debate.

gilet

« Reply #3 on: Today at 09:24:42 AM »

Debunker has gone. For those who prefer ignorance and have no interest in truth this will be something to applaud. For anyone actually interested in fact and debate it is a disgrace.

No explanation for the removal of a poster with vast knowledge of the subject, no explanation for the removal of many, many threads and posts.

I would normally look forward to seeing an explanation on a forum for such actions by moderators but here I fear there will be none. Indeed I feel sure that this thread will be removed as soon as it is seen by moderators.

As I said yesterday it makes a complete laughing stock of the forum and its "minders" that they include the word justice in the title but behave like rather petulant judges 'in camera' with posters 'in absentia' when they or their friends (and I use that word knowing that I am merely quoting Angelo) are challenged in any way.

Jazzy

« Reply #4 on: Today at 09:37:28 AM »

It seems this is not in any way equal to being called names by drunken abusers, or having personal information thrown at you by someone who can barely use the English language.

gilet
Hero Member

Re: Why did Amaral and the PJ designate the McCanns and Murat as official suspec
« Reply #30 on: Today at 11:21:22 AM »
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Quote from: John on Today at 11:16:35 AM
Well actually it was very sensible of insider to get permission to open this topic given the material which he intends to post.

I have added a caveat at the beginning of the
thread.

"material which he intends to post"

What is this, a childish game?

When will this "material which he intends to post" actually be posted?

Or is that top secret too?

The more I read here of the decisions and games being played by moderators the more I think this entire forum is becoming a laughing stock.

Now you as senior editor are telling us that at some future date this moderator who goes by the devilishly clever name of Insider will be revealing some kind of devastating information which he has had to get you to OK in advance but which he hasn't bothered to post as yet, preferring to make the mystery seem ever more intriguing.

I doubt that even Redblossom would have come up with such a forum game..

gilet
Hero Member

Re: Why did Amaral and the PJ designate the McCanns and Murat as official suspects?
« Reply #72 on: Today at 02:41:35 PM »

Quote from: AnneGuedes on Today at 02:30:35 PM
I will dare to repeat you're a dishonest person, Gilet ! You're sending an erroneous translation. It is not very difficult to see that your second sentence contradicts the first. Even a person ignorant of the Portuguese language would understand this.
Here is the right one for the second sentence :
This is my deep understanding that a disclosure, in a work of this type, of all the facts could compromise future investigations, fundamental for the discovery of the truth.
Mr Amaral is just developing what he says in the first sentence : he will not mention all the facts in his book in order not to jeopardize future investigations.

I repeat, how dare you make that allegation against me when even your own translation shows I am right?

The translation I provided was not my own though. But one provided by anti McCanns on their site. Interesting no?

But there is nothing in the translation I provided that differs from what you provided. One says MAY harm the investigation the other says COULD harm the investigation.

No matter how you try to spin this with whatever translation you provide Amaral is clearly saying that the fact that his book COULD OR MAY harm the case. And that is despicable behaviour from a former policeman simply to defend his honour and grasp the filthy lucre.

Your statement that I am being dishonest is simply a lie and I ask you to withdraw it because even the translation you have provided still shows that I am absolutely correct in my statement that the desire to avenge his honour and earn money from his book has overridden the normal actions of a policeman in not potentially damaging a case, particularly a case concerning a vulnerable little girl.

gilet
Hero Member

Re: Hindsight: Some posters just cannot get their heads around the concept.

« Reply #208 on: Today at 02:45:49 PM »
Quote from: AnneGuedes on Today at 02:39:58 PM
Hang you head in shame, Gilet, for sending misleading translations in order to discredit Mr Amaral !

There was absolutely NOTHING misleading in the translation I used.

Mine showed that Amaral knew that his actions "may" harm the case, yours said he knew his actions "could" harm the case.

If you are trying to exonerate Amaral from his despicable behaviour on those grounds you are failing completely to do so.

Rachel Granada
Sr. Member

Re: Why did Amaral and the PJ designate the McCanns and Murat as official suspec
« Reply #88 on: Today at 04:51:33 PM »

Quote from: John on Today at 11:16:35 AM
Well actually it was very sensible of insider to get permission to open this topic given the material which he intends to post.

I have added a caveat at the beginning of the
thread.

Where is this material, John? The material that a Mod on here asked special permission to start a thread for.

Or is it a ploy to keep people tuned in? This is a missing child, not an episode of Downton Abbey.

Again, has this information been passed to the police? And should Mods be doing this kind of thing, making mysterious hints about information then vanishing?

Outlook
Full Member

Re: Threads which are started simply to promote abuse will be deleted on sight.
« Reply #11 on: Today at 12:00:22 AM »

Quote from: Mr Moderator on August 07, 2013, 11:52:16 PM
I have dealt with the issue since the member concerned refused to take heed of my earlier warnings. The forum has been making much progress recently but it only takes one disingenuous troublemaker to rock the boat and create disharmony. I do hope the other moderators agree with my decision

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I wish the whole McCann section was killed off totally. Delete the lot and do us all a favor.

Over 27000 posts, most hate filled and going nowhere.

Shona:

Totally true. This forum had so much intregrity, so much fight and truth, we proved once and for all that Bamber shot his family. And the Simon Hall case had more holes than a string vest.

I suppose this will get deleted, too.

Wig:

I concur. Its causing so much hassle and how long can one flog a dead horse?

Andrea:

I get fed up with my email being flooded with complaints by the Mcann posters. I dont like babysitting adults. Get rid!

Puffin

I agree with this, the section has now run its course and is serving no useful purposes; rather it is making Justice look quite bad.

Albertini

Re: For Those Who Say It's Not Possible To Committ a Crime and Lie For 6 Years.
« Reply #22 on: Today at 08:35:26 AM »

Hang on a second the original poster made no allegations of a crime in their original post against the McCann's or anyone else.

All Faith said was it is possible, and there is evidence, of people lying for years to conceal a crime.

If the family supporter's chose to ask Faith what crime the McCann's have committed i suggest they open a thread regarding that subject and then it's up to Faith to deicde if she wants to post.

But this thread and indeed the OP had nothing to do with what alleged crime the Mccann's had committed.

Jazzy

Jr. Member

Re: For Those Who Say It's Not Possible To Committ a Crime and Lie For 6 Years.
« Reply #23 on: Today at 08:58:02 AM »

Quote from: Albertini on Today at 08:35:26 AM

Hang on a second the original poster made no allegations of a crime in their original post against the McCann's or anyone else.

All Faith said was it is possible, and there is evidence, of people lying for years to conceal a crime.

If the family supporter's chose to ask Faith what crime the McCann's have committed i suggest they open a thread regarding that subject and then it's up to Faith to deicde if she wants to post.

But this thread and indeed the OP had nothing to do with what alleged crime the Mccann's had committed.


So what is this thread about then? A Burglar who stabbed an elderly lady to death, got convicted of it, denied it and then went, "You know what, I did do it" 12 years later? Parole leaps to mind here.

So what did Faithlilly say? What is the point? Why would someone with her clearly expressed views draw a parallel between a s..mbag thief who stabbed an old lady and the parents of a missing child?

What was her pitchforking point?

Again, what crime, exactly was she implying the Mccanns are lying about?

Jazzy

Jr. Member
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Re: For Those Who Say It's Not Possible To Committ a Crime and Lie For 6 Years.
« Reply #24 on: Today at 09:01:22 AM »

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Modify

Quote from: Redblossom on August 08, 2013, 08:35:14 PM

I think the gist, as I said before, is that it destroys the perception that people cannot lie for years or own up if they were involved in a crime, thats all. Food for thought. No need to turn it into anything else, its an observation and a valid one.

It's a trawl through news stories, as you say, completely irrelevant but twisted to have a go at the parents of a missing child. Nothing changes ever, this has no link to the Mccanns, this s..mbag is a burglar who stabbed an old lady to death. It destroys nothing but the credibility of the person who posted it.

Albertini

Full Member

Re: For Those Who Say It's Not Possible To Committ a Crime and Lie For 6 Years.
« Reply #25 on: Today at 09:12:45 AM »

Quote from: Jazzy on Today at 08:58:02 AM

So what is this thread about then? A Burglar who stabbed an elderly lady to death, got convicted of it, denied it and then went, "You know what, I did do it" 12 years later? Parole leaps to mind here.


The thread is about whether people are capable of lying to cover up a crime. The OP found evidence it was.

Quote from: Jazzy on Today at 08:58:02 AM

So what did Faithlilly say? What is the point? Why would someone with her clearly expressed views draw a parallel between a s..mbag thief who stabbed an old lady and the parents of a missing child?


She said exactly as i said above.


Quote from: Jazzy on Today at 08:58:02 AM

What was her pitchforking point?


"Pitchforking" Lol! The languauge of the Mccann supporters! it always makes me chuckle. "pitchforking" "forkers" "haters" sock puppets".

How old are you? 11?

Her point is that people lie to cover crimes and that it is not an impossibilty for that to happen.


Quote from: Jazzy on Today at 08:58:02 AM

Again, what crime, exactly was she implying the Mccanns are lying about?


There is no implication, you chave simply chosen one to get yourself all in a lather.
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Re: For Those Who Say It's Not Possible To Committ a Crime and Lie For 6 Years.
« Reply #26 on: Today at 09:22:30 AM »

Quote from: Albertini on Today at 09:12:45 AM

The thread is about whether people are capable of lying to cover up a crime. The OP found evidence it was.

She said exactly as i said above.


"Pitchforking" Lol! The languauge of the Mccann supporters! it always makes me chuckle. "pitchforking" "forkers" "haters" sock puppets".

How old are you? 11?

Her point is that people lie to cover crimes and that it is not an impossibilty for that to happen.


There is no implication, you chave simply chosen one to get yourself all in a lather.


Is that right? It's a newsflash is it? People lie about crimes they have in fact committed? They actually do say, "It wasn't me"? Is that new information for you? Wrongdoers denying it?

Again, a p...... posting that in a discussion forum dedicated to the Mccann case, is implying what?

Faithlilly is implying that the burglar who murdered an old lady , denied it for years, and then admitted it, is relevant to the Mccanns because they killed their child, and also denied it.

To insider of Justice Forum
Posted by jjbd » Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:57 pm

It's good to see that insider has acknowledged reading here.

Perhaps some crucial information will be posted on his/her special thread so that John can delete it later as "too revealing" (aka libel)

drummer
Newbie

Re: The Felicia Cabrita story about the 14 bottles of wine.
« Reply #116 on: Today at 06:30:41 PM »
I am fully aware of the meaning of the word mantra, as equally as I am fully aware of your reason for being on this forum.

I can't believe you have the nerve to say this to any poster Stephen after you have made your reasons quite clear elsewhere why you post on this forum.

What was it you said? "I only post on the justice site to put a spanner in the works."

And one of their members has announced they are considering leaving because of the biased modding:

For my first transgression in 4 months I have been placed on a 45% warning.

A Poster on here who has spewed vile drunken abuse night after night after night for the past 4 months is currently on a 40% warning.

Yes, we've all noticed that the foul-mouthed emu appears to be the forum pet, and that Guedes gets away with conduct that would have her removed from an unbiased site.

Good God, emu is so disgusting, she's been kicked off the 'anti' sites because of her behaviour.

Modding
« on: Today at 06:04:47 PM »
I see my message has been deleted, you know the one where I was put on 45 % watch for a first offence when other people have been allowed to get away with posting abuse night after night after night for months.

You know what you need to do, John. I'm finished with this forum now due to the modding..

ETA: And now I'm on 50 % watch for complaining about the drunken abuse that has been let go night after night after night for months!!!

How many more posters do you want to lose, John?
« Last Edit: Today at 06:11:09 PM by Rachel Granada »

sad s****

Saddie u are an evil cow .......................... nasty nasty dna here, but it takes one to know one LOL, and probably runs in the family, ...................... .............. makes you worse than the teenager in the exorcist evil to the extreme, lol bye now, go plant some petunias, they are good therapy and u need tonnes

just thought i would fart last at YOU, before i go,as you deserve it, see u luv, keep dreaming, stop wumming and lying and try to be a better and more honest person, theres a good girl, see ya

Next time do NOT DISRESPECT the dead dear s**** and also RESPECT the dead, that includes Madeleine Mccann, then YOU may be left off the hook

In the meantime you should just STFU ........... saddie