ALL CHANGE AT THE HOHO CORRAL!!

uzanne Bosworth I don't think Ian realised quite what had been unleashed. I'm really beginning to believe that it was Dan behind all this, and the others believed his lies.

Suzanne Bosworth Still doesn't excuse Ian's vile comments earlier.

Shelley Armitage-Cotton When you look at the bigger picture it does look like Dan has been intent on disruption from the beginning

Niki La Belle Mariee Some things that have been said have really made me laugh! Anyone would think we where anticipating an alien takeover! No proof of anything whatsoever but everyone's expected to agree with them & move on. Somehow I don't think any sane right minded member will allow that to happen

Waleed Al-Uzaizi nobody knows who Dan is his name his age his gender where he lives nobody know could be Gerry for all we know .. I smelled a rat the second he joined his first Post was abusive rude and bullying and how he went on about ward of court was no better than a troll

Waleed Al-Uzaizi I wanted him removed from group then but had no support sadly

Suzanne Bosworth He was on the group under two or three different names at least. You could always tell because his speech patterns and jokes were the same, plus those pics he did of course. I'd heard he was OK so I didn't give him too much thought. Sigh.

Suzanne Bosworth Niki - noooooo! Waleed meant the admins there are acting like the McCanns - expecting everyone to take their word for what they say! Not you

Shelley Armitage-Cotton I didn't notice his aliases Suzanne, do you remember any of them?

Niki La Belle Mariee Suzanne Bosworth I don't see how it's ok for dan to have a million other pages & Waleed Al-Uzaizi has a few & causes an alien invasion!! Wow I'm beginning to think I'm actually losing the plot lol

Niki La Belle Mariee Defo losing the plot! Thank u for pointing that out Suzanne Bosworth I interpreted the post incorrectly

Suzanne Bosworth Shelley I'm trying to remember what they were .. perhaps someone else can remember? I knew it was him again when he turned up as Dangly Bits - he'd had another couple of "pun" names before that.

Suzanne Bosworth My memory ... gahhhhh ..

Shelley Armitage-Cotton Oh I thought you meant at the same time as the Dan one

Suzanne Bosworth Not at the same time, no. One left for a while and then another would turn up, then another after that. He said he had these aliases so he could duck and dive from certain people (I'm paraphrasing but that's what he meant).

Waleed Al-Uzaizi I had 8 fake account used the for games but had a heart attack and stopped playing games so forgot even email addys never mind passwords none had been used in 3 years .. I added them to group to get us to 2000 and announce the names and removed then a few hours later .. thats it I cant deactivate them cos I dont remember the login info lol

Suzanne Bosworth Waleed they're saying you had 40 accounts and were using them to post on the Controversy site at the same time. They didn't mention once that accounts were used for FB gaming. See what I mean? Lies and distortions. It's shameful of them.

Niki La Belle Mariee I need to ask guys & I'm so sorry if I come across as a demented doll but I'm I the only person that thinks paranoia to the extent it's been clearly demonstrated is so clearly linked with either a serious drug habit or medical condition? Yes I sound stupid but some if the things implied are crazy

Shelley Armitage-Cotton How many accounts you have is your business Waleed, I have never for one moment thought you were a troll or pro McCann, nothing you ever post would suggest that you are either. IMO Zora has been befriended by Dan who has egged her on, sewn the seeds of paranoia then sat back and watched it all unfold

Niki La Belle Mariee Shelley Armitage-Cotton did you see the abuse dan dished out earlier as someone said his banner sucked ?

Waleed Al-Uzaizi hehe how would I remember them lol Ask my children about my memory for names lol .. I would be talking to my Daughter Natasha and telling her we need to get another headstone for Natashas grave instead of saying Rozanna lucky she understands my memory that I meant her sister and just corrects me and says Im Natasha you mean Rozanna dont you dad

Shelley Armitage-Cotton I did, I was booted shortly after so I couldn't comment but his attitude is dreadful

Shelley Armitage-Cotton As far as Dan is concerned the phrase 'hiding in plain site' springs to mind

Karen Shaw god he is just vile! i knew he was up to something, and low and behold he become admin even after all them stupid pictures, then he would come off then come back on and then off and then on, he is doing everything i see to hide what he actually is, hmmm.....

Christine Silverman If anybody here was ever on the old 3As forum, he reminds me of Nbrado, who took the 3As down. He reminds me of him a lot. Better off out of it if you ask me.

Joy Sharman just looked at it again ,its still hilairious today as it was yesterday ...its how he just explodes .too funny .

Christine Silverman I was just shocked at the "self serving videos" comment. What contribution have Dan Gleebitz and Zora ever made?

Linda Hutton It has taken someone pretty fiendish to out the founders of the group and steal their work. My gut feeling is the pros have outwitted us, they have disbanded the group from within.

Marie Smith I agree Linda.......Dan tried it with his libellous pics and when that didn't work he went for plan b.

Shelley Armitage-Cotton A group with so many followers is going to be 'attacked' from within. Lizzie did absolutely the right thing backing up all her work. Lizzie and Frances are lovely people and sadly this makes them easier targets. If I were them a would be gutted that people I had trusted could do such a thing x

Christine Silverman Is this the same Dan Gleebitz who is on Pinterest, and lists himself as a "hacker" and "social engineer". Also his Flickr page seems to be full of pictures of funny cats and innuendo-laden road signs. He acts like he's about 15, and he reminds me a lot of Nbrado. Just saying.

Marie Smith Now why doesn't that surprise me Christine......especially the *social engineer* bit !!!

Christine Silverman I can't see why everyone is so surprised. He told you himself exactly what was going to happen. There were trolls in the group, and the ship was about to sink. Those were his very words, there were and it did. The only thing he neglected to tell you all is that he was the troll. Typical hacker behaviour.

Christine Silverman And no, I am sorry I did not see it before. I am saying this with hindsight. I hope we can learn a lesson from this because they will attempt it again with this group. It is only a matter of time, unfortunately.

helley Armitage-Cotton A group with so many followers is going to be 'attacked' from within. Lizzie did absolutely the right thing backing up all her work. Lizzie and Frances are lovely people and sadly this makes them easier targets. If I were them a would be gutted that people I had trusted could do such a thing x

Christine Silverman Is this the same Dan Gleebitz who is on Pinterest, and lists himself as a "hacker" and "social engineer". Also his Flickr page seems to be full of pictures of funny cats and innuendo-laden road signs. He acts like he's about 15, and he reminds me a lot of Nbrado. Just saying.

Marie Smith Now why doesn't that surprise me Christine......especially the *social engineer* bit !!!

Christine Silverman I can't see why everyone is so surprised. He told you himself exactly what was going to happen. There were trolls in the group, and the ship was about to sink. Those were his very words, there were and it did. The only thing he neglected to tell you all is that he was the troll. Typical hacker behaviour.

Christine Silverman And no, I am sorry I did not see it before. I am saying this with hindsight. I hope we can learn a lesson from this because they will attempt it again with this group. It is only a matter of time, unfortunately.

Christine Silverman Don't for one second assume that Nbrado would just go away. He would always turn up somewhere else under another guise. Nature of the beast.

Paul Rees Thank you Vicki - that was EXACTLY our concern.
Jo - a break may help - hope to see you soon though.
Tasha - Dan is unwell but emailed me asking me to post that apology.
I don't know who made the "self-serving videos" remark or where it was posted and would ask that you take your concern up with that person in the first instance.
Thank you all for still being here.
Paul

Olivia Hayes O'Brien Admins staged a hostile takeover and used Waleed as a scapegoat. If anyone still here believes inLizzy come join us in the new hideho controversy group.

Denise Kelly Havn't got a clue what all this rumpas is about but surely if Dan is 'well' enough to e-mail Paul, he is 'well' enough to post on here. Just saying !

Paul Rees Quite, Julie. Well he isn't, Denise, but they are his words and well intended.

Victoria Thomas I can vouch that Dan is really not well

Lizzy Hideho Taylor I have just reread what Dan (who I have been on good terms with) said about me...lol. Of COURSE I had a backup plan for obvious reasons (being closed) and any suggestion that I was scared of trolls and thats why they took over to 'save' the group... Well I had a plan in place to be able to STOP the trolls... AND I had just told them...BUT heavy handed and lying about my agenda appears to have taken priority. It wasnt about the troll issue or they would have allowed me to implement my plan... but the 'troll' issue needed to be the excuse... sadly. We were not under threat....lol

Comment from a poster, with thanks.
There is something the backstabbers are trying to cover up. No-one is falling for their increasingly stupid excuses.

I do hope the whole thing wasn't caused by alcohol/chemical-fueled paranoia from a bitter old man with a filthy mind, who succeeded in schmoozing his way into the admin panel thanks to a non-too-bright female admirer.  That would be really, really embarrassing, wouldn't it?

She's right about one thing - there was no threat from some imaginary 'troll army' waiting for an imaginary signal from Waleed to rise up and.....do something or other.

The main threat was from the increasing number of complaints to FB about their content - most of the recent complaints being about danglypratts crude, disgusting photoshopping.

Carmen DeBosifleury Although I'm already a member in the other group, I'm asking myself why I, and others should be forced to inconvenience ourselves because of the actions of 3 or 4 others who lacked the courage and integrity of consulting with the other 2000 or so members before acting so irresponsibly. Why won't Zora explain exactly what evidence she had that this group was at any risk of closure, come on, publish what you have.
And why won't Zora allow the membership to decide who administrates their group ? What possible excuse can you have for not giving us the choice ?

Eileen Russell Carrington i don't understand why the two admin have been removed though

Eileen Russell Carrington what admin was a pro?

Nicola Crazylady Diesel The difference between a democracy and dictatorship is that a democracy is where you get to vote for your choice and a dictatorship is where someone/ a group takes over!

Zora McCartney I explained countless times last night so i won't explain again. Considering the regular shrieks of TROLL!! ADMIN!! here almost daily, we thought trolls (in particular vile pro mccann trolls) were something our members were as concerned about as us. how many of you voted for HDH then, when Judy was ousted? hmm?

Shelly Keeper Zora i dont recall judy being ousted?

Nicola Crazylady Diesel But what proof do you have that waleed was a troll apart from the fact he had lots of account? Which I believe he has never denied. Screen shots of pro-McCann comments on pro-McCann sites? Private messages? Anything at all? People just don't understand your decision and as admin I believe it is your duty to supply this to the members if requested.

Carmen DeBosifleury Zora, not everyone is glued to Facebook 24/7 given the seriousness of this situation and the damage that you have done, the very least you could do is to explain, in detail and in in writing the reasons for taking the action that you took. I'm afraid if you don't, you are not going to have a membership remaining

Carmen DeBosifleury You have to appreciate that not all 2000 members visit every day. The very least that Zora and Co admins should do in the circumstances is to allow sufficient links to remain over the next few weeks so that members who joined the group can at least find the group that they joined. Better still, lets actually open this up to a vote, and allow the membership to decide who controls the group.

Tracey Carberry That's my point too

Nicola Crazylady Diesel The difference between a democracy and dictatorship is that a democracy is where you get to vote for your choice and a dictatorship is where someone/ a group takes over.

Victoria Thomas I think your making a mountain out of a molehill. This is a Facebook group not a third world country that's been invaded! Lol!! You're so funny )

Kirstie Sheena MacLeod Disagree repeated links is spam , It has its own thread! where do you draw the line? are we to have Tracey post the link after every single post?

Nicola Crazylady Diesel Good luck with that Eileen

Cheryl Murphy Same as yesterday, zora you're like a broken record, people are asking for evidence and your not actually showing any!!!

Karen Avery quite a few poisoned pens still poised I see

Nicola Crazylady Diesel Why is that Karen because we are asking questions instead of being good little sheeple? I'm sorry but I don't see how they can take such drastic action and expect everyone to just accept it no questions asked. They have provided nothing to back this decision up so people have no option but to make their own minds up

Eileen Russell Carrington the controversy controversy

Carmen DeBosifleury I'm not taking sides, but I am asking why I and at least 250 others so far had to join another group. 3 or 4 people forced that decision on me, and destroyed trust and credibility of the whole group. I'm also asking myself who they'll stab in the back next

Paul Rees Yes... Carmen,what happened was regrettable but unavoidable. Waleed had over forty fake accounts and could have been planning to sabotage the page at any time. That could have taken the form of hacking, bulk removing members, closing the whole site down, passing personal info on to who knows who. That is why we had to act quickly and I make no apology for that.

Karen Avery The majority are probably not interested in the facts...and I don't mean that disrespectfully...lets all just move on ...I will stop commenting now until we can all get back on track!

Ann Bartlett Good call by admin! Bring Judy back pls? Shes a good girl xxx

Nicola Crazylady Diesel Then may be it should have been handled better Karen. This fiasco as you say is down to a select few only not a group as a whole. Time will tell who's interested in the facts truth and common decency.

Enter the Thought Police:

Paul Rees Yes... Carmen,what happened was regrettable but unavoidable. Waleed had over forty fake accounts and could have been planning to sabotage the page at any time. That could have taken the form of hacking, bulk removing members, closing the whole site down, passing personal info on to who knows who. That is why we had to act quickly and I make no apology for that.

So, now this is supposedly over something Evil Waleed 'could have' been planning? In other words, they haven't a shred of proof of anything - no, never mind proof, they don't even have any evidence.

Why on earth would he need 40 accounts to 'pass on personal info'?

The convo Zelda so foolishly posted shows the truth of it - he used the accounts to boost numpty member numbers, and on gaming sites.

The proof that he wasn't plotting anything is demonstrated by his being in the same group as the other ousted admin, discussing Warferin - that's a medicine, in case the back-stabbing dumbos don't know.

The excuses being offered for the coup are truly pathetic; they are only serving to convince onlookers that dangly planned all this in revenge for being banned for calling Waleed a c~nt.

Pathetic!

Ian Thesp Well ive just joined and resigned from the other group. Told them that I was not into coups and bad mouthed admins, but unfortunately they are still licking wounds and they needed some one to kick in the bollox and I was informed that I was a coup member. Zora told them last night that I was not, but hey they still wanted a crucifixion. Not today though. That Rayray and his/her friends sure need a black and white stan and olly comedy slap. Bizzy day today, so will take in a deep breath and think if I should even bother to get any more involved with this case in any way what so ever any more. I mean its not as if i think the world is honest.

Ann Bartlett Think we all should put the rubbish in the bag an dump it, so to speak!, I missed it all but Im sure everything that was done was done for the best! Everyone should know I didnt like Frances as she is a pro, a load of fbs an a load of bs from her. Ive known her yrs an believe me when I say she would , if she hasnt already, brought the group down! As for Wally boy, what a plonker x

Nicola Crazylady Diesel Oh Ann give it a rest. Frances a pro, ffs. At least the people asking questions are seeking the truth. Your just talking utter nonsense. Daja-poo comes to mind (heard this shit before)

Ian Thesp Well she allowed her folks to rip me apart. A friend who I know in real life spoke up for me, but still those dogs where allowed to bark. I am sure they wanted some confession out of me, plus blood, and an apology. I think myself a decent, neutral kind of person, I try to think first, because I know ones emotions can have one flying off the handle causing havoc. I say it as I see it. I told them that i told frances last night that i am not 100% behind this, but she knows that I thought this group was heading towards sleepy town where you can drop in for a cup of tea a chat and god knows bingo maybe.

Ann Bartlett Nicola Crazylady Diesel, If u dont like what I say dont read it! Simples........... even for u

Ann Bartlett Ian Ive know her yrs, Ive seen what she done on the 3as postin as Robert Murat etc, shes a loon bin , end off

Tasha Adams Paul you wrote this; Waleed had over forty fake accounts and could have been planning to sabotage the page at any time. That could have taken the form of hacking, bulk removing members, closing the whole site down, passing personal info on to who knows who. That is why we had to act quickly and I make no apology for that.

That sounds to me you actually have no idea if Waleed planned on doing anything. Just because he has forty accounts (if indeed it was forty, I've seen links of about ten) doesnt mean he was about to do anything. Could is just not good enough in this case, and the fact we've been lead to believe that Zora had hard evidence of what was about to happen only to be told now that it was *could* well it makes you all look a bit silly tbh.

Nicola Crazylady Diesel How would I know I didn't like it if I didn't read it though Ann

Ian Thesp Can we have a last day evacuation plan operating please.If by the end of the week people are still whinging then please just leave , the other group will greet you with open arms if they have never heard of you. I am really , really new here and I think they maybe making "Not wanted" posters of me. They are sending a scouting party over for screenshots. Yawn.

Sharon Sneddon This is totally confusing.....Frances is a pro????? This all seems a but meaningless to me!! Think personal opinions are being Brot into this wen it's not Valid!!! Maddie is what's important-everyone throwing tuppence in about ppl and nothing to do with what group meant to b about. Can everyone not just get bak on track? It's starting to get tedious now..

Ann Bartlett Ugggggggggggg troll alert, my very own personal one an all ffs all I need! Lmfao@ U Nicola Crazylady Diesel

Ian Thesp When you move over there it will be like nothing ever happened.

Ann Bartlett Yeah Sharon , I witnessed her an her numerous accounts postin as a pro! I was there when she posted as Robert Murat , seriously she did an then accused my pal of rape when they were in Pdl! He never ever went near her! Shes a nutter I swear

Eileen Russell Carrington how bout you set up a page and take all the poo of this page about this disagreemnt about this

Ian Thesp no the deed is done now, might as well wait. A job worth doing should be seen to its final outcome.Honestly the other place is built for folks who dont really understand what this has all been about.What its about.

Nicola Crazylady Diesel Wow the creativeness of your minds astound me "TROOOOOLLL" the don't conform there a "TROOOOOOLL" and to think your old enough to be my granny.

Sharon Sneddon This is confusing. Lol Ann I joined the other group too, I'm not taking sides as I don't know enough of what happened etc i was In Mexico, but can see a few ppl who are saying 1 thing here an another there! I'm here for the info in maddie not to pick s...See More

Karen Avery https://www.facebook.com/groups/507450985946255/permalink/620523497972336

Sharon Sneddon But Ian u r on the other page too and are commenting etc?

Ann Bartlett Im just statin the truth! Some dont like the truth its seems..... I pointed out a fact thats all an yeah Eilleen an Frances has always made it about her.........

Karen Avery https://www.facebook.com/groups/507450985946255/permalink/620523497972336

Ian Thesp yeh but we are stuck at the station for now. No individual postings so you will have to search google or something for now if you have the time. The other group which Karen Avery has just posted will maybe be a better place for such questions at present.

Paul Rees Tasha, people on both sides of the divide now believe Waleed could be a notorious hacker who brought the 3As forum down.

Karen Avery why has my post been changed?

Shelly Keeper Thanks Karen Avery! Always a good reminder to keep focused on

Paul Rees I've certainly not changed any posts Karen?

Justice Manz dont say that paul!!! he nearly died last night dont you know!

Ann Bartlett Beowulf ??????? or Nb?

Karen Avery Ian Thesp worried me there I thought the link had been changed ...but no it's still for this group

Ian Thesp Hospital, dead mother, full pity bullshit, thats how they work Justice Manz

Sharon Sneddon I think, regardless of ppls personal opinions of each other, that posts on this group must have been making an impact somewhere if trolls and the like took time to try an bring it down! So regardless of anythn else, was that not proof enuf that it worked? Obviously ruffled feathers somewhere and now all this fighting an bickering will have them all rubbing their hands an chuckling? Just my thots tho.....

Ian Thesp I am actually starting to enjoy this.Not in a perverse way you understand. But no the other group will be handing out the sausage rolls about now, Waleed wont be there of course he has gone to hospital today.

haron Sneddon Ian if u don't like the other group y join tho? ( not being cheeky just curious) I'm on both but not taking sides either way, knowledge is all it is for me, wont speak bad of any of the groups.

Shirley Kassane lm staying with Frances and Lizzy..they have put a great deal into this page..invite opinions..and have provided soo much information..and are constantly there for questions...they dont try to LORD it up... just provide us with fact to arrive to uor own opinions..and by your actions...you have weakened the case to get a conviction against the parents...my opinion only...

Paul Rees OK Shirley

Ian Thesp beat me to it Paul, could some one see her to the door

Ann Bartlett Make sure she closes the door from the outside pls along with my own personal bint troll lolol

Ian Thesp I was told to watch it didnt hit me on the head on the way out in the other group.Such a caring bunch and such a different kind of human being than what you find in here.

Ann Bartlett Aw Ian , loopers are us wouldnt be in it with some of them lolol x

Sharon Sneddon Can u not b on both groups? X

Ian Thesp well you can Sharon, I could not.

Paul Rees Yes, it's very much a personal choice!

Ann Bartlett lol Paul xxx

Ian Thesp aint that the truth.

Ian Thesp They must have had it in for me because Lizzy posted in my one and only thread over there, cant remember what she wrote, but she to failed to want to call the stupid ones off me.

Ann Bartlett Aw Im glad Ff has gone , this will be a better an stronger group now xxx

Ketty Östman Well,surely you can not have had to remove Admins to remove some 'trolls'? You must have had the power to do so when you saw that it was needed. Why did not you do it?

Olivia Hayes O'Brien
Can we have a last day evacuation plan operating please.If by the end of the week people are still whinging then please just leave , the other group will greet you with open arms if they have never heard of you. I am really , really new here and I think they maybe making "Not wanted" posters of me. They are sending a scouting party over for screenshots. Yawn...Ian at it again. Not a member there anymore just had a nosey. Further down he said he is actually beginning to enjoy all this!! # feeling shocked and betrayed

Paul Rees Tasha, people on both sides of the divide now believe Waleed could be a notorious hacker who brought the 3As forum down.

No they don't. An army of Debunkers couldn't cause havoc like this - and it is a matter of record that what finished 3A was the fall-out from the Rothley Stalking. Nothing whatsoever to do with 'hacking'.

The more whoppers like this they tell, the worse they are making it for themselves.

Waleed is just some bloke who thought he was helping make up the numbers by activating the fake FB accounts he used for online games.

Why are the plotters and backstabbers telling such outright lies?

Frances ‏@foxylady93 8h
Our Group was taken over yesterday. by paul and Zora.. . Lizzy and myself were booted. new group https://www.facebook.com/groups/HiDeHoCONTROVERSYofMadeleineMcCann/ …

BEDEHOKEYCOKEY ‏@janeymack1 6h
I was booted too . Where is the new group link ? @foxylady93

Frances ‏@foxylady93 3h
@janeymack1 I was booted too >>>oh you must have been the troll who was goin to bring down the Controversy group lol #McCann

Waleed Al-Uzaizi My resignation was on principal If Dan returns I quit Zora was making animal noises implying he is well liked etc so I left on principal something all 3 Maggots don't have.

Waleed Al-Uzaizi I wish people had listened to me earlier when I told them what was happening .. but I suppose what happened was worse than I thought just knew our admin room had a leak because 2 things discussed in admin were public news in seconds and now know why Paul was so defensive of Zora .. we live and learn maybe I shouldn't have left lol

Karen Shaw god he is just vile! i knew he was up to something, and low and behold he become admin even after all them stupid pictures, then he would come off then come back on and then off and then on, he is doing everything i see to hide what he actually is, hmmm.....

Has Dan Gleebitz Been Sighted Anywhere today?

Last night he was the hero of the hour, even made the new page banner during the 10 minutes left to save the site. He was so full of himself, even in the carnage of last night he felt at liberty to call his page members disgusting names.

He was too ill to post this morning, what a strange coincidence that is.

Has he risen from his sickbed to post yet?

We know that he did, at least once, fire up the computer and send an email, why not open an extra window while there and post his apology, or call a few more posters "F*ckface/T*athead" while he was about it?

Isn't that what real heroes do? The man who saved the day can't face the place the next day?

Natalie Hodges I've been a silent member on here for a while now , and never seen a thread like this . Is it just a coincidence that all this has happened weeks before the trial ? To me it looks like deliberate sabotage of this group , and playing right into the hands of pro mcaans ! Just saying .