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Re: Twitter (News and important information only please)
Post Tony Bennett on Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:26 pm

This story has surfaced today

Concerning these stories about some 'anti' and money, there are rumours flying that it's Hoho herself:

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Francis Williams We can confirm that Lizzy Taylor is the troll at the centre of the financial con allegations. We are working with the affected people to ensure their voices are heard and the public is made aware of the actions of the Canadian troll. We are VERY confident that this will now bring an end to the many years of smearing of Madeleine and her family that this troll has instigated.

We will ensure that Madeleine receives the justice that she deserves.

Chris Roberts ‏@Chris_Roberts23 3h3 hours ago
#mccann

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Statement from Ben Thompson
Post  Bobbysgirl Today at 6:21 pm

The following statement has been passed to me from Ben Thompson. He is not a member of this forum, so has asked me to post on his behalf:

Hi everybody, I see from Tony Bennett's screenshot, and write up, that certain direct accusations and implications have been made toward myself, and Leanne. I would like to address those here.

1. As I told Tony on twitter last night, and as he was told by others, I had no part in setting up the fund, running the fund, or indeed any role whatsoever within the fund. The only part I did play was the same as any other supporter. To tweet, give updates, (available publicly) and to write the odd post in the group I created; Justice For Madeleine.

2. I am a little surprised that Tony didn't do a little research before casting accusations, and requesting an audit trail from Leanne. The PJGA have already stated that they received the money DIRECTLY from gofundme. Leanne merely fronted the campaign after discussing the idea with the PJGA. As you can see from the blog [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] which used information easily accessible to anybody with the internet. A UK bank account wasn't needed.

In simple terms, this is how gofundme operate.

A. Fund set up.
B. Public donate.
C. Donations to gofundme are sent via a merchant (stripe) to the nominated bank account.
D. As confirmed by the PJGA, the destination account used was their own. The same one they have used since 2009.  

3. Tony insinuates that it is odd that Leanne didn't reply to his message via CMoMM. I fail to see why this is such a surprise. Leanne left the case having endured some horrendous abuse, and harassment. She answered the same questions, often from the same people, on a daily basis.

4. What Leanne did, by setting up the fund, was a brave move for a young lady. One she can be proud of, and one she can look back on as a achievement for a cause she showed huge belief in. She has every right to move on, pursue her goals, and leave that behind.

5. If as Tony suggests, he has heard anything to the contrary about Leanne, I suggest instead of insinuating it, he takes the information to the authorities, along with the person's name who passed him this "information". That way Leanne, if she chooses to, can seek legal advice with a view to prosecuting the person behind the "information" If indeed any was passed.

6. As I touched upon before, for a man who prides himself on his research, I find it unbelievable, irresponsible, outrageous, and possibly even dangerous that Tony decided for whatever reason, to post such an inaccurate article here, knowing full well at the very least, the pros would run with it, and possibly worse.

7. The PJGA have always maintained that they are in control of all money, and all decisions made. In this case, if Tony or anybody else has questions, perhaps they should present those questions directly to them. Afterall, you wouldn't post a letter you wished to arrive in London to Aberdeen, would you.

8. Finally, I would just like to say, that barring a very select few, it has been fantastic to see so many people's support of others. I'm sure that the success of the fund took a lot of us by surprise, but it was a momentous and uplifting event. One that shouldn't be unnecessarily tarnished. I have absolute faith in everybody involved. Let's hope it bears the fruit we all hope for.

Thank you for taking the time to read this. I will of course be taking a screenshot should the unlikely happen, and it is removed. As I say, I am not a member here, and therefore am unaware of how the forum operates.

Thanks again,

Ben Thompson.

Post Get'emGonçalo Today at 6:36 pm

Thank you for posting that Bobbysgirl.

Having been on the receiving end of Ben's hysterical hissy fits and threats on facebook, it's quite remarkable how his writing can change.

Bennett:

I believe this to be a reference to the GoFundMe project for Goncalo Amaral started by Leanne Baulch along with Ben Thomson.

IF IT IS, it would chime with other information which I received many weeks ago in relation to Leanne Baulch.

Again, IF IT IS, I hope that all those involved have a solid audit trail for all the money donated.

If Leanne Baulch ever looks in here these days, maybe she could reassure us on these points.

If it's nothing to do with the GoFundMe project, well, no matter then

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Ben Thomson has contacted me via Twitter today and explained that "neither he nor Leanne Baulch are involved with this Ash Miller nonsense".

He further states that he did not help to start the Goncalo Amaral GoFundMe project.

I am aware that it is said that PJGA 'received the money' and have been 'able to help Goncalo Amaral to fund his appeal' etc. etc.

I did ask Leanne Baulch via 'pm' on CMOMM to account for the monies raised but she did not reply.

I am not aware of any reason why she cannot make a simple statement such as

"£xx,xxx was paid to PJGA on ____ (dates)"

This is what started it all:

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Robert D Guest ‏@Robert_D_Guest 12h12 hours ago
'Canadian #McCann Troll Stole Our Money To Fund Her Campaign of Hate Against Maddie's family' from day1 she told us the McCanns are guilty

Post Bobbysgirl Today at 7:34 pm

You're welcome Jill.

I remember you both having a fallout, I think that stemmed from Tony publicly attacking Justice For Madeleine, (the group Ben used to run) simply because he removed a thread that had turned into a bitch fest against Sonia Poulton, (something Tony would have been sad to see taken down). As I recall you then posted private messages between yourself and Ben on this forum, having doctored them first. He wasn't too happy about you allowing Pamela Gurney onto your fb group either, especially after her sickening abuse of Brenda Leyland, both before and after her death, then saying you were unaware of who she was. I used to be admin with Ben at Justice, and he was always polite, supportive and honest with me. I know he can be fiery at times, but I have never seen him attack anybody without good reason. He has added a great deal of good to the cause, perhaps focusing on that would be more positive. Especially given Tony's recent post (above), that he is yet to apologise for. I have never had any issue with you, although I can understand why Ben did. I think it is unfair for you to discuss him when he isn't in the forum to defend himself. Perhaps contact him via pm and sort it out in private. I happen to know he had a lot of respect for you prior to your fallout, always spoke highly of you, and supported both the forum, and your group. With the smears above from Tony, and Ben having to take the time to address them, do you think it is fair to add yet more?

Post Get'emGonçalo Today at 7:58 pm

The private message Ben said I doctored was this:

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You say 'doctored them' like it was plural. I deleted 'Hello hunnybunch' from the above screenshot and after that I was threatened on facebook and twitter. You say he never threatens anyone without good reason. Removing 'Hello hunnybunch' was a good reason was it?

What gives him to right to dictate who is allowed on my facebook group? Pamela Gurney was allowed on my group briefly to have her say - that also resulted in Ben having a meltdown.

I said to Ben I didn't know that it was Pam Gurney who hounded Brenda Leyland, I thought it was Kate Holt - that also resulted in Ben having a meltdown.

As you can see I've kept the conversation I had with Ben on facebook and this is just one of the screenshots.

You think it is unfair of me to discuss Ben when he isn't a member of this forum yet he doesn't think twice about asking you to post his stuff here, without registering like a man to do it himself....and then issuing another mild threat at the end saying he's screenshotting it in case it's deleted. Is that going to end up on facebook and twitter too?

Ben promised to get his own back on me so I guess all this troublemaking comes from him does it?

My four year old granddaughter behaves better than Ben.

Kids...who'd have 'em yawn

Post cloak'ndagger Today at 10:01 pm

Benny's girl posting for him. .Aw shucks Nat. clapping clapping

cloak'ndagger


solved Re: Twitter (News and important information only please)
Post Bobbysgirl Today at 10:06 pm

"Benny's girl" excuse me?

Seems this forum only sticks to the rules when it suits. Jill derailing threads, and cloak n dagger being rude, as well as attempting to reveal user names.

(cloak'n'dagger is none other than Blondie)

Post cloak'ndagger Today at 10:31 pm

@Bobbysgirl wrote:
"Benny's girl" excuse me?

Seems this forum only sticks to the rules when it suits. Jill derailing threads, and cloak n dagger being rude, as well as attempting to reveal user names.

So sorry Bobbysgirl. .Rules apply here that is true and netiquette observed . Ben knows all about netiquette doesn't he?
I wish you good night, ,

Post Verdi Today at 11:31 pm

Sophiebubbles wrote: We all know here on this Forum that Go fund me was sincere and genuine and I like many others was delighted to contribute without any doubt whatsoever.

It would be much appreciated if you could drop the royal 'we' - inferring that forum members are a united force. Although I have no particular reason to doubt the sincerity of a GoFundMe initiator, it doesn't follow that I know the person to be genuine. Unless you know someone personally and/or have sufficient knowledge of their strength of character to be sure they are trustworthy, it is at the very least an act of naivety to say beyond doubt that you trust them implicitly.

Anyone you encounter on the internet is effectively a stranger, no matter how many times you exchange words - you cannot know a single thing about them other than what they tell you. Do you really put 100% trust in total strangers? That's tantamount to meeting someone you don't know from Adam on the street, handing them your credit card and PIN and asking them to meet you later at the local cafe with the cash withdrawn and your card.

It really is a personal choice if someone wishes to donate to a specific cause, via the internet, through a GoFundMe account but I think it extremely unwise to assume that it is a bona-fide cause and funds are being administered honestly. Just look at the Find Madeleine Co Ltd., all those innocent well meaning citizens who just wanted to help - what exactly happened to their donations?

You appear to be au-fait with twitter-land, you must know that people met on the internet are not necessarily to be trusted.

Post Hobs Today at 11:32 pm

When the mccann supporters, their spokesman or even the mccanns themselves start making claims and allegations, STOP.

Ask yourselves why they are coming out the woodwork and making accusations and claims?

What is it they are trying to divert attention from?

What is happening that is so sensitive to them?

From personal experience, when i get a particular reaction or response to a post, i know i have found something sensitive and it encourages me to start digging deeper.

Let the subjects guide you

AN APOLOGY TO LEANNE BAULCH
Post Tony Bennett Today at 6:56 am

Dear Leanne Baulch

A SINCERE APOLOGY


The GoFundMe project to raise donations for Goncalo Amaral, so that he could have sufficient funds to cover obtaining legal advice and assistance for his appeal to the Court of Appeal, was an excellent and successful project.

The news from the PJGA project in October last year, reported here on CMOMM, that your fund had reached the target of enabling him to obtain the necessary funds to hire a lawyer was a credit to you and you fully deserved the praise you received for your efforts. As you know, I also made a donation via GoFundMe.

On Tuesday this week I saw references on Twitter by someone called Ashley Miller to a professed ‘anti-McCann’ who had apparently been dishonest on money matters with her. I made the very bad mistake of referring to claims reported to me (which I cannot substantiate) about the operation of the GoFundProject and linking your name to Ms Miller’s allegations.

It was entirely wrong of me to do so and I publicly offer my sincere apologies to you for my post which I will now go and remove.

During the GoFundMe project, I did have some specific queries about the operation of the fund and wrote to you about them. I did not receive a reply. However, I have no basis for thinking that there was anything untoward about the operation of the fund and once again I would like to offer my personal congratulations and thanks to you for organising a highly successful project.

Tony Bennett

Post Get'emGonçalo Today at 7:12 am

Thank you Tony.

And Ben has approached me on facebook asking for bygones to be bygones and I have accepted.

Cass Sidebotham
10 hrs
'GOOSE IS SERVED'
For the avoidance of doubt;
1. The Lizzy scandal did not originate from a pro, but from a disgusted anti, who had previously looked up to Lizzy, but now feels hideously betrayed, by in her words; 'a con artist'.
2. The pms we are quoting below were not hacked, but sent to us freely. They are several years old.
3. They have not been amended in any way, other than the redaction of names and editing out of parts that do not pertain to this matter or which are repetitive.
4. We have full permission to quote them.
The doxxing of personal information is not something to which I would normally subscribe - there are several antis who must know I have pms from them that would seriously damage their credibility if published - but as Lizzy is now as usual trying to lie her way out of a tricky situation rather than come clean, I think it's in everyone's interest to know the truth.
The crux of the matter is that Lizzy borrowed sums of money many years ago from members of another (non McCann) online forum. Until TODAY, when she realised the game was finally up and she was about to be exposed, she'd never made any attempt to repay these debts, despite demands being made.
Instead, she'd made various promises of repayment, only to renege. After that, she simply stonewalled; failing to reply to her ex-friends e-mails.

In at least one instance, this caused significant financial hardship.
Her assertion that she 'cancelled' training another friend in woodgraining is also not strictly true. At that time the person concerned was self-employed and had taken 5 weeks off, with no income, to come to stay with Lizzy as she had offered. Lizzy simply vanished, and as with her creditors, stopped answering his emails and phone calls.
Even the money she has repaid today is questionable, as the payment came not from Lizzy's pension coming in, as she has suggested, but from the Palpal account of the husband of one of Lizzy's faithful admin. Has Lizzy repaid this money only by borrowing it from yet another forum member?
These pms must cast serious doubt on Lizzy's honesty, integrity, and also her true motivation for propagating her relentless smear campaign against the McCanns.
My recent thread 'THE REAL PROS' raised the question as to whether 'pro Amarals' might also be 'shills' - this only furthers suspicions.
Is Lizzy being paid from Portugal?
Is she part of 'PJGA', that shadowy troll collective harvesting monies from her group members, ostensibly to fund Amaral's appeal?
I think we should be told
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'I mean Liz owes me money !
If her business has picked up I should get it really'
'ohhh... well as you have told me that I can tell you I too lent her money that hasnt been repaid.. I have never told anyone'
'O God
she just tells me she hasnt forgotten she owes me it
I haven't told anyone either

wonder who else lent her money.. I gave her money because she said her stuff in storage was going to be taken off her as she didnt have money to pay it'
!I don't even get that response from her
I cant even remember how much I lent her but its about 800 dollars'
'I lent her money 7 years ago. She was being threastened with eviction
ohh yes I lent her money when she was getting evicted
I think maybe we have been taken for fools.'
'I expected mine back and when my husband and I split I was finding it very difficult financially. I told her this and she kept saying as soon as things improve I will get the rest back. well she has told me things are going well for her
I would have said to her 'keep it' if I coud have afforded to but I can't'
'not nice for you to wait, I at least am working but your retired
I am wonder who else lent her money
I emailed her a couple of weeks ago just to ask if there was any chance of returning it...no reply
I trusted her so much'
'Ohh d___, in canada knew i had lent her money cos d___ told me that liz had told her and how kind i am
I doubt you will get it back now P__, .. a lesson learned for both of us
soft like me I think!'
'I'll tell you this now J___......I have told her brother in Canada
Liz doesn't know that
She seems so honest and trustworthy and we've fallen for all the sob stories'
'I dont really know I used to be suspicious and then thought I shouldnt be so horrible thinking like that but she used to tell everyone she was sleeping on sofas etc.. and I always thought my pride would never let me tell anyone

I know. I felt so sorry for her having no heat all through one Canadian winter, and then using next doors outside tap for showering
although I didn't have much money I kept thinking I was so much better off than her
Thats why I loaned it'
'snap... but it makes you wonder why her family never helped out'
'what did her brother say to you?'
'well when I emailed her brother who used to go to the same school as us so we had that link. He said he's loaned her money in the past and never got it back and their patience has been exhausted
Think his wife wont let her have any more'
'she's so plausible though isn't she ?'
'Ahhh... well that says it all, I wouldnt waste the price of a call because she has no intention of paying you back.'
'She'd say things to me like the money will come back and she's not really drinking or smoking'
'well she would tell me the same but it seems its all rubbish.. I suspect we werent the only two that gave her money
Mugs that we are... Nigerian scam but in canada lol'
'If you and I haven't told anyone because of not wanting to embarrass her...I do wonder if anyone else has been as daft!'
'I told you because I've got fed up with waiting!'
'I thought too that she wouldn't want it to go round the chatroom that she owes money and that would be the insurance that she would pay it back
strangely enough she said she wouldnt do facebook but people would know too much etc.. yet she told us everything, lol'
'When I offered she asked that I send it straight away because of the circumstances and I spent a whole day travelling on buses to the nearest Western Union place on a cold March day...and it cost me £50 to send it!'

'well I paid her once here in cairo and once when I was at heathrow airport.. she had asked me again and told me she was desperate and needed it now'
'and that is why I had to send it from the airport, she contacted me on the way to the airiport and she had collected it before I could even email to tell her it had been sent'
'gets worse really doesn't it. I know I've learnt a lesson here'
'Did she actually ask you for a loan or did she tell you the bad luck stories in thne hope that you'd cough up'
'bad luck stories and i offered'
'same here!'
'Mug !!!!!! LOL'
'but she contacted me the scond time
I have never , ever asked anyone for money
not even any of my family'
'nor me... nor would I ever...'
'hold on I am going to text R______ and ask him if he has lent her any money
she told me her neighbour lent her money once and allowed her to keep it
this little scam is like winning the lottery every few weeks!'
'she didnt tell me that about neighbours... lol well I don't think j___ knew that about her or he would have been sbouting it from the roof tops, however he always said her house fire was suspicious
and she had done it for the insurance but she told me she had no insurance
when I told people of the bad luck she had including the fire
people would be disbelieving
it does make you wonder'

Hi P__, I have been making a few enquiries, didnt mention your name, anyway it seems one of our old chatters was supposed to go to see her and she was making all the arrangements and then just disappeared off the radar, I have asked d__ k_____ if she has seen her and she says no but will try to get in touch with her when she gets back from her holiday. The person that was going out tells me she is not picking up her phone, answering texts or emails.. ohh yes and she told this person that she is not on facebook as she has family problems and they try to contact her through Facebook'
'Did N___ say whether D___ was surprised about all this ?
Lets hope he gets a phone call...wonder what excuse she'll come up with . Whatever it's about time she was asked to explain herself. She's lost good friends here and I hope she feels it was worth it'
'regardless of the excuse p__, do offer to pay someone's flight and accommodation to Canada when she was ignoring your emails for the return of your money is the lowest of the low... I for one do not feel sorry for her.'
'Hello C_______..I've seen on FB that you've seen Liz Taylor. She cropped up on mine the other day, asking to be friends. Out of curiosity I answered her. She spent about ten minutes messaging back and forth. Never once apologising for not returning my money although she asked for my address to return it! All of a sudden she disappeared..don't know what she's playing at. She said she'd lost all her links with K________ chat people . By the way she didn't mention anything about the McCanns so don't know if she's come to her senses ! Xx'
'She is never going to pay me which is fine I was always more angry what she did to you
Oh I meant she suddenly went off again after chatting for a while...no goodbye ! I don't think I ll see my money to be honest. It's about ten years since I loaned it to her. Was it N___ who was going to go and stay with her ? I'm wondering if she's got all her marbles x'

she conned me'
'Can be too nice , and yes the money should go back to us both. I couldn't live with myself if I'd done this to people, would never have taken money from anyone even though I had hard times on my own with 5 kids. Didn't even ask my dad or a well off brother for help. I wonder if she is ashamed of herself...probably not ! Xx'
'Think she's a compulsive liar . Living in a world of her own. Bet N___ was surprised that he'd actually heard from her again. Never said anything to me about being stalked. Maybe it's payback for her hounding the McCanns x'
'She wanted me to tell her what she still owed and how she could get it to me. I said send cash by registered post. After all these years she'd be lucky not to have interest put on. She's a con woman....comes across as being nice and caring. I'll let you know if she sends me mine . Given her my address ...hope that wasn't a mistake ! X'
'she gave N___ a hard luck story said she had had a bad three years
I said when has she not had bad luck stories
she goes from one disaster to another
and if she worked at a job as hard as she has worked in trying to destroy the McCanns she would be a millionaire'
'she said to nick i do not know how I will fix my damaged reputation
sorry not damaged just reputation
I said it was a reputation she damaged
but she does not care what she does to the poor McCanns'
'Makes you think that maybe JE wasn't too wrong about her. I used to think he was just really nasty about such a lovely woman. How wrong can you get ? Have come to the conclusion that going by this and two ex husbands who were rubbish, I'm not a good judge of character. I'm too trusting, like you ! X'
'Message from Liz......'My driver had to change her plans for today, but don't worry your money is my priority '

and we could have put money on that
why not just send it and then say I have sent your money'
'Yes I know !!'
'I guess no money'
'How did you guess ! I messaged her a few days ago and she replied. Said she's waiting for her driver to take her to bank. Apparently my money is in there ! I suppose for some reason she's not able to drive. I know a few years back she was driving round with no insurance xx
so she can never go to the bank unless she has a driver.. how did the money get there,how does she get money out of the bank to live, and yes she never had insurance
and if the money is in the bank she can do a transfer
very easy'
'She is full of excuses J__. When I messaged her she sounded annoyed that I was asking ...saying it had been just 2 weeks. Was slightly longer than that because she'd first messaged me on my birthday. Forget that she had this money from me 10 years ago !
exactly... it is not just two weeks'
'Yes that's true. I think there must be others. I do remember her telling me once that she borrowed a large amount of money from someone and they told her to keep it. At the time I wondered if she was hinting for me to say the same ! As it was she's taken it anyway . I have written to her brother in Canada. Firstly I was so pleased that she'd contacted me and wanted to refund. Now I've written again and told him she seems to have gone off again and also that she's doing the same to you. Of course I tell him it's not his fault, he can't be responsible for her actions. I do want him to be aware of what she's up to now. Do you know if she still puts postings about the McCanns ? A couple of years ago here a woman committed suicide when she was arrested for harassing them. Think she was part and parcel of Liz's vendetta x'

Lizzy Hideho Taylor
12 hrs

A MESSAGE TO ALL MEMBERS AND VIEWERS regarding a personal issue spread on Twitter and Groups

Like many others, when I saw the Ashley Miller Tweet I was curious who it was about... I didn't recognise the accusations.

However, after about a week, I realised that it WAS about me, but conning money and fake jobs? Not what the reality is!

Basically I had severe financial difficulties and never let it be said that people dont care... I accepted offers of help, repaid as soon as I could...also offered to train someone the unique art of woodgaining but was suddenly unable to do so at the last minute. No money changed hands....and everything was with good intentions.

This is the truth of what the accusations refer to... I know I don't need to explain, but its important to me...

Like many others I've had some financial difficulties and many years ago accepted a couple of offers to help me through some severely difficult times.

One was for £500 and a couple years later I returned £350 when I was able to. I never forgot the remaining £150 and when I got a pension rebate, contacted my friend so I could return it. It is paid in full.

The other friend suggested not to worry about returning it but to add to a Dog rescue fund which I will do as soon as I have the Visa etc to send (Im in Canada and not easy to pay directly to UK...impossible through debit)

As for the offer of fake jobs... I had offered to TRAIN someone the art of woodgraining (at no charge) and we had plans for him to visit on a holiday which I was excitedly preparing for..

Unfortunately something happened just beforehand and I had to cancel. No money had exchanged hands and none was planned.

I ran an MSN group based around a chat room and it seems that word got around about the money owed. I had in fact told some of the members about the generosity of others (which is true).

Shortly after, the Maddie case came into the news and I wouldnt make any opinions until I had more knowledge... We all know what happened next...

I learned of the details and others based their opinions on media. The media that do not give the facts to the UK... It was a mini 'pro /anti' situation.

Later...members chatted... It was blown out of proportion with silly suggestions that I made money from my videos (impossible) and somewhere along the lines about Tshirts...lol All absolutely untrue...

After the posting by Ashley, probably meant as a warning with the best of intentions in case I WAS this person described, she was probably contacted by our 'friend' and he has ultimately been welcomed to their group under one of his fake IDs...

I am not proud of what happened , but I am not ashamed and I have, of course, all the proof needed if anyone feels I may be trying to pull wool over anyone's eyes. (I still chat to most of the people involved)

I am sad about what happened and did make an effort to contact and clear it up WEEKS before Ashley Miller posted...

Anyone can call me all the names under the sun...and they do...lol... but I have always been honest and straighforward. I don't play games and have ONE motivation for being here...

The TRUTH about what happened to Madeleine...

Thanks to those that have been supporting me, even though I didnt realise it was about me

I felt I was accountable to explain as I know others were getting accusations thrown...sadly...

Lizzy Hideho Taylor Ohhh...so this hasn't gone away? lol This resembles how the tabloid magazines expose personal info and people sneak a peek at the checkout but don't buy it, because at the end of the day, they dont care...

Totally blown out of proportion, full of half truths, lies and perception. Whether its all about me, or anyone else it's hardly of interest to anyone except gossips.

Does it suddenly negate my reason and everyone's reason for being here?

What reason do they have for posting it all? Anyone guess? What motivation does ANYONE have for posting personal info?

I always told my little ones (when they were off to school for the first day).. If anyone says anything nasty remember that as long as you have done nothing wrong, there is only ONE a reason for others to do that...

They want to feel better about themselves by putting others down...

They can't achieve for themselves so they gain attention by attempting to humiliate and discredit others. Very often, sadly it works...

In this case, and in my opinion, all they have done is to do something far worse...shown they have no scruples and are comfortable violating the basic rules of conducting oneself in life by publicly posting personal info.

ALL in the effort to try to discredit me in the hope that I will 'go away' and take HDH with me. THEIR GOAL FOR A LONG TIME!

Tough....TRUTH is far more important to me at whatever the expense. Whether they like it or not I hold my head high because I know the real story and perception isnt reality....

I'm here for the truth about what happened to Maddie.... Why and how did she disappear?

Should we believe everything we are told.... NO! At HDH we offer links to the truth and allow everyone to decide for themselves regardless of what any of the accusations against us are...

We focus on the Maddie investigation... NOT on attacks to others, personal info and gossip!

Thanks everyone

Totally blown out of proportion, full of half truths, lies and perception. Whether its all about me, or anyone else it's hardly of interest to anyone except gossips.

Does it suddenly negate my reason and everyone's reason for being here?

Francis Williams
There are many more revelations about Lizzy Taylor's criminal past yet to be revealed and no doubt some of these will be dealt with by the journalists interested in the story, but one thing is concerning me greatly at the moment.
As we know, Lizzy has just settled one of her debts after ten years, claiming a payout via her pension. This money was, however, sent from the Paypal account of the husband of one of Lizzy's admin. What people are unaware of is that the admin in question is also the UK side of the PJGA (also a paypal account) and Gonzo's begging bowl. This is the person that antis claim bought Leanne a slowcooker and arranged for her bedsit to be redecorated as a thank you. Obviously, given Lizzy Taylors track record of conning people it is conceivable that she just conned her admin to pay her debts with yet another sob story. However, it has also got me wondering whether the instant cash injection has actually come from the fund that HideAndOwe were so vigorous in promoting.
Has Gonzo's begging bowl become a pension fund for the antis, because their years of trolling has put such a financial strain on their real life existence?

Naomi Cook

Why did Stuart Locke remove his comment? Strikes me Stuart Locke wasn't Stuart Locke after all, instead it appears that someone was posing as him. It is eyeopening the lengths people are prepared to go to in order to cover something up.

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Francis Williams
37 mins
This was posted yesterday but HideAndOwe followers are trying to surpress the fraudulent activity of Lizzy HideAndOwe. There are many more revelations about Lizzy HideAndOwe's criminal past yet to be revealed and no doubt some of these will be dealt with by the journalists interested in the story. One thing is concerning me greatly at the moment.
As we know, Lizzy has just settled one of her debts after ten years, claiming a payout via her pension. This money was, however, sent from the Paypal account of the husband of one of Lizzy’s admin, a sock account for this person (Stuart Sock) turned up here yesterday, threatening court action but swiftly removed their amatuerish attempt. What people are unaware of is that the admin in question is also the UK side of the PJGA (also a paypal account) and Gonzo’s begging bowl.
This is the person that antis claim bought Leanne a slowcooker and arranged for her bedsit to be redecorated as a thank you. Obviously, given HideAndOwe's track record of conning people it is conceivable that she just conned her admin to pay her debts with yet another sob story. However, it has also got me wondering whether the instant cash injection has actually come
from the fund that HideAndOwe were so vigorous in promoting.
Has Gonzo’s begging bowl become a pension fund for the antis, because their years of trolling has put such a financial strain on their real life existence?