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Hideho Ho
NEW MEMBERS-
Have you received unsolicited PM's to WARN against joining CONTROVERSY?
Efforts to reduce membership and DISCREDIT Controversy are for a REASON..
We ARE making a difference...MEMBERSHIP is increasing and 'someone' does NOT like it!
PLEASE ADVISE ON THIS THREAD OR BY PM if YOU have been targeted or warned against joining.

Hideho Ho The facebook account of 'Paul Castello' could be any one of a number of people known on Twitter as someone else.... They could be male or female....names mean nothing...HOWEVER...they DO appear to have an agenda of trying to eliminate members from this group and do NOT take the accreditation for it... That is odd... One would think they woulld let us know the munbers involved to wallow in their achievements...but nothing... It appears 'they' get their acknowledgemets (sic) from another source.

Anyone who uses the abduction of a child to make money must be condemned. It is a despicable act and is to be reviled by every sane and decent person irrespective of where they are located in the world. Maybe it is time these leeches were exposed?



Landscape gardener Liz Taylor (above) obsesses over Kate and Gerry McCann in
her videos which attract awards under youtube monetisation scheme.

The vile Facebook group responsible for threatening to shoot Kate McCann has told selected members “we must link the McCanns to the Philpotts to encourage more anger towards them”

What appears to be an orchestrated on-line attack, the Facebook members are to use twitter and Facebook to compare Mick Philpott and his wife Mairead to Kate and Gerry McCann in a bid to tarnish the McCanns as “kiddy killers”. It’s an atrocious attack against the McCanns and it has already started on twitter comparing Mick Philpotts staged press conference with those press conferences Kate and Gerry did encouraging people to look for Madeleine.

The social networking site is already under investigation after one member Paul Rees was caught adding people to the group without their consent following a mass exodus of members due to the media attention from the gun threat made against Kate by one of the members.

The groups administrator Liz Taylor, who calls herself HiDeHo online was formally warned by Facebook last week regarding the members constant abuse of the Terms and Conditions, including the uploading of photos of Madeleine McCann by Paul Rees that are illegal. Rees also has the images on his twitter page with an image that has been digitally manipulated to sexualize Madeleine.

Once before various internet forums and Facebook groups have tried to link other child abuse cases to the McCann case. Once Karen Matthews had been sentenced a similar strategy to the one being adopted now was used to smear the public image of Kate by comparing her to the jailed mother of Shannon.

Because there is no evidence to reasonably suspect the McCanns of any wrong doing, those that seek to hurt Madeleine’s family attempt to do so by associating them with convicted child abusers. One such evil attack orchestrated by a vile troll on twitter made a comparison to Moors Murderers Hindley and Brady. This is the level and appalling depths these people will go to in an attempt to destroy the McCann family on-line and make very uncomfortable reading for the twins; Sean and Amelie in the near future.

Ms Taylor refused to talk to this website regarding her Facebook warnings and accused myself of being a UK Justice Forum ‘troll’ following her public mental meltdown on the site.

Taken from ordinisrubricrucis blog with thanks

Hideho Ho Thanks to everyone for their input and support of Liz Newman...It's time to delete the thread....Jodie, if you would like to repost the thread without the second comment feel free to do so....

Now, what could Ms Newman have done that's so dreadful?

Oh. Yes, it is pretty bad...

Jodie Rachel Ellison
Ok so i accidentally found my self in a pro mccann thread in a group that appeared to me from nowhere lol. Anyway so as to be fair i had a read. Now most of it is hate the haters
...we are trolls we are vile we are sick and twisted because we blame the mccanns...and when asked for evidence to back up their belief that Madeliene was abducted they cant provide any and will retaliate with eeewww so vile not wanting this little girl found. Ok so i can deal with that. But two things bug me can i have some help.

1. A claim that amaral has made 30 000 pounds of the back of madeleine being missing. Does anyone know where this has come from? Is it book sales?

2. Liz Newman...she doesnt do us any favours does she?!! Who is she and why is she so strongly hateful...also a supporter of Mark Bridger so now we are tainted with "Mccann haters believe MB is innocent"???? Thanks liz!

Hideho Ho
Lets get one thing straight here....

We WELCOME anyone who is unfamiliar with the files and may want to learn some of the information that is not easily accessible in the UK.

We recognise that there may be some people that continue to believe the McCanns....we ACCEPT that and any members that ridicule another opinion risk being removed from the group.

HOWEVER..... discrediting everything to do with the evidence in the files..PARTICULARLY the Cadaver/Blood dog evidence is NOT acceptable in this group...

There has NEVER been anything to suggest Martin Grime's dogs are not reliable, and their evidence played a MAJOR part in Bianca Jones trial...Her body has never been found but her father was found GUILTY because of Martin Grimes Dogs...

OPEN discussion is welcomed....all OPINIONS are welcomed but we will NOT tolerate anyone's agenda that uses techniques to change opinions of other members.

MEMBERS....be aware that 'infiltrators are amongst us....

They will gain credibility by claiming the McCanns were wrong for neglecting their children....Whether TRUE OR FALSE it has NOTHING to do with the findings of the police that the McCanns HID MADELEINE'S BODY and SIMULATED an 'abduction...

Keep in mind that SERIOUS 'infiltrators' will use any covert method available to gain trust and to change opinions of those that have not yet become fully aware of the FACTS...

Admin are ON ALERT and if anyone shows signs of attempting to change opinions and discredit the 'evidence' instead of HELPING others with links to the files so everyone can form their own opinion, they risk removal from the group UNLESS we can be assured their agenda is to learn the TRUTH about what happened to Madeleine....

So....lets KEEP SOMETHING POSITIVE IN MIND....15:19 markers is not conclusive in Portugal....but 10:10 markers IS conclusive in UK!!

We are here for Madeleine xxx

Thanks to EVERYONE who is here for the RIGHT reason!

We have more admin joining us today, welcome to Frances, Heather and Zora, so along with Paul and myself we will be WATCHING.

Hideho Ho Many people probably dont realise that we are WATCHED and ANY comment can be used by the media.... Back in March a comment made on here was featured on the FRONT PAGES and despite being advised by Scotland Yard that there was NO threat to Kate...it was regurgitated just before the marathon suggesting the TWINS were threatened...and they ALLOWED the news to report it! 

Hideho Ho Look at the REALITY....a football fan posted a stupid comment Thursday morning....we deleted it shortly after...New member...his ONLY post....and IT APPEARED IN THE DAILY STAR yesterday...AND...apparently the McCanns (via Clarence) have to APPROVE each news report....HOW could they justify the comment as a threat? THEY WANT US SHUT DOWN!

Hideho Ho The vid also explains the McCanns did not receive £550,000 because LIES were printed..David pilditch said under oath that they were truthfull and accurate....as cnfirmed months later when the files were released...they had NO idea the fes would be seen by the public!. The McCanns received the money OUT OF COURT because they could not name the SOURCE of the news report...A BIG DIFFERENCE!
3 hours ago · Like · 2

Hideho Ho THEREFORE...when silly comments are said on here...and taken to the Express and the Star...CLARENCE would have KNOWN that there was never even a slight threat... The Express and Star paid out money to the McCanns....they are not on 'their side' despite how it looks...and look at how they referred to US... "'it appeared on a Facebook page devoted to the youngster, who vanished from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in May 2007."....'DEVOTED to the youngster....' ?THE TRUTH! They know what they are doing...

Hideho Ho We are now CONTROVERSY....DEVOTED to Madeleine and searching for the TRUTH! Thanks Daily Star!

Hideho Ho Notice that I mentioned 'at admins discretion' here are many of you unaware of what libel may be...if fact there is often a fine line. we are also aware the there are 'members' that are here for their own agenda...to INFLUENCE others and tempting them to say something libelous. We have a great admin team and I trust them to use their discretion...BUT if we feel it was not an 'accidental' comment we have no choice but to remove you immediately. WE CANNOT TAKE CHANCES. If you find you have been removed, you will no longer be able to see the group so you cannot reapply but please feel free to add me as a friend (so your pms dont go into my 'other' box) and I will see what we can do to unban you

Heather Hopper Don't let this hold back your discussions. All we ask, well insist upon, is that you don't say anything that could be construed as libel, you don't speak of any violent actions towards the parents even in fun you treat your fellow posters with respect and that your language is moderated, so as little swearing as possible. We are not preaching to you, you are all adult, so behave like responsible adults. Do though enjoy the group discussions. There is so much to read, and watch and discuss and we are approaching a very interesting time in this case. And we are being watched very very closely.

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David Reid It is entirely possible that Maddie died on the second of May, not May 3rd. Look at the scenario that unfolded. The drugs, the floor washed, the toy placed in the closet that was next to her behind the couch. The nine friends that helped stage the alibi' of all the members of the group. I read where Gerry reported the latch on the window was broken, men were there to fix the washing machine, due to Kate washing the curtains above the couch. Who do you know washes the curtains on holiday? There are too many contradictions, holes in their stories, inconsistancies, phantoms carrying children that only certain members of the group saw, they took the same route to and fro the room, where an emergency demands the shortest route possible to the scene of the tragedy. Gerry replaced the fridge. Why did he do that? He didn't own it, he was there on vacation! Sheets used to wrap the body could conceal it in a closet, until the plan is arranged, which implicated everyone in the conspiracy, not just the McCanns. Add to that the company is applied for, instead of the Maddy Fund as a charity. Every parent that has a child abducted holds out hope they are found. They don't take steps to fight lawsuits and get paid for looking for their daughter. It was a carefully staged scam perpetrated on everyone and when they go down for it, they are going to take many big names and important people with them, which explains how they were able to manipulate the media, the politicians that supported them, they were able to hire gunslinger lawyers, and everything was swept under the carpet.

Hideho Ho
July 2001 - The Daily Star newspaper begins legal proceedings to get back the £500,000 damages wrongly won from it by "liar, cheat and chancer" Jeffrey Archer.

Could this happen with the McCanns £550,000 if the headlines were proven to be true?

From what I understand the out of court settlement was NOT because it was LIES printed (David Pilditch claimed UNDER OATH they were 'TRUTHFUL AND ACCURATE').

The settlement was made because the newspaper did not NAME a SOURCE (they knew before publishing that they MAY be sued by the McCanns as they could not name the source)

If the McCanns are convicted, could the Express/Star claim the settlement back?

Jacqueline Cowan Her post from MCF ' I am considered enough of a threat that my HiDeHo Facebook account has been deactivated, which means CONTROVERSY has lost all the graphics and all my posts, videos etc have gone....'

Lizzy Hideho Taylor
To the person(s) that for some reason, NEEDED to have my HiDeHo Facebook account DEACTIVATED (One has to wonder WHY?) A VIDEO MESSAGE!  

More lies from Hideho I see.

She is fully aware that the reason she was booted from Facebook is simply that she broke one of the basic rules on the site.

Rule 4:2 You will not create more than one personal account.
https://www.facebook.com/legal/terms

She had two accounts which she was using (both had been admin at some point on that Controversy page).

The use of the two separate accounts was recognised by Facebook and after investigation of IPs and contact being made with her, both accounts were disabled.

Actually she has almost certainly now broken a further rule on FB.

Rule 4:3 says,
3.    If we disable your account, you will not create another one without our permission.

I think it highly unlikely that she will have got permission to create the new account which has appeared today.

Lizzy Hideho Taylor Seems my other account is hanging in there until I send government ID change the name...how do I know? I cant make this a pinned post until I remove the existing one and I can't see it to remove! lolol It's probably sitting there in the background.

She is breaking all the rules she can on FB and blaming others for her stupidity.  That's the height of conspiracy lunacy.

Lizzy Hideho Taylor
PLEASE READ & REPLY!

Efforts to shut down CONTROVERSY requires that we ALL take care in what we post.

"Friends of the McCanns called on Facebook to remove the offensive messages and shut down the group." (Daily Star June 22nd 2013)

We are obviously targeted for scrutiny in EVERYTHING we post.

My main HiDeHo account has been DEACTIVATED and there has been a COMPLAINT to Facebook requiring members to REMOVE many photos.

I will seek to find out the guidelines for ACCEPTABLE pics but until then I ask that NO-ONE posts pics that could fall into the category of copyright/unacceptable by the McCanns including PICTURES OF MADELEINE.

Please make yourself aware of the GUIDELINES as failure to respect and FOLLOW the rules may result in BANNING (group is no longer visible to you)!

WE CAN NO LONGER OFFER THE OPPORTUNITY OF A WARNING.

ANYONE POSTING A COMMENT CONSIDERED TO BE LIBELOUS OR UNACCEPTABLE (bickering etc) MAY BE REMOVED AND BANNED IMMEDIATELY (AT ADMIN DISCRETION)

NOTE: Threads are to remain ON TOPIC with the OFFICIAL POLICE FILES to maintain our credibility as a group that INFORMS the public (in the UK) that are NOT AWARE of the details in the files.

MPORTANT - GUIDELINES for posting - Please acknowledge with a REPLY.

Due to the increased membership, it is of prime importance to follow the GUIDELINES of posting to avoid DELETIONS and possible INSTANT REMOVAL from CONTROVERSY.
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ACCEPTABLE:
*Any topic with links to the OFFICIAL PORTUGUESE POLICE FILES
* Off topic BREAKING NEWS
* Anything RELATED to the investigation (supportive links preferred)
* QUOTES and Interviews
* Support for OTHER CAUSES using designated thread.
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NOT ACCEPTABLE:
* Anything accusatory that could be considered LIBEL (eg. Using 'M' and 'K' words etc.)
* No FOUL language
* RIDICULE towards ANYONE
* BICKERING & BULLYING between members (keep personal matters personal)
* CONSPIRACY' theories that are not based on the Police Files.
* Unsubstantiated SPECULATION.
* NO linking to 'pro' sites
* Satirical Pics
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Admin will use discretion, but please contact by PM if you feel you have been unfairly removed.

Lizzy Hideho Taylor We do not allow posts that ridicule other people or other groups/forums. We are here to give people the opportunity to learn the truth....We ALLOW people to form their own opinions based on the 'evidence' in the files... We did not write the story... We are the messenger... Anyone that ridicules us is doing so to fulfill their OWN agenda.. To spend precious time trying to find something to, once again, report to the media gives us attention and the opportunity for the media to show their (subliminal) support by naming us a 'group DEVOTED to the missing girl' as they did in the Star on Saturday June 22nd. We like that kind of attention:)

(says)  Lizzy Hideho Taylor Thanks you so much Tania for your kind offer! I look forward to whatever may be put together! In the meantime, I would encourage everyone to take time (25mins) to see this video of support that I put together for Goncalo and his family a few years ago. (uual droning on, won't bore you with this)

(thinks) That's her put in her place, how very DARE anyone try to elbow me aside? I'm Goncalol's Number One Fan, ME, the Leni Reifenstahl of Toronto! Pah! Upstarts!

Frances Gallagher Richard you are on your first warning .Now calm down or you will be removed,

Karen Oakley Richard Sylvester's page seems to consist of profile pics and nothing more. Troll?
15 minutes ago via mobile · Like · 1

Petite Bamburd Richard is NOT a troll.
14 minutes ago · Like · 2

Richard Sylvester Karen don't be silly I am no troll. Search my name at the top of the page and see how much I post. That is a silly statement. My profile page is showing nothing because I don't want certain PRO's to see what I do

Richard Sylvester I am just in an amzed situation that I was told "Reaf the rules, you can only say what is backed up by the files" Then Frances said "The fund is obviously fraudulent". It is a serious thing to say if it can't be backed up. I questioned it and was "warned" and my future posts were deleted. That is why I am angry. You can't say one thing and do another or the group becomes a joke.
12 minutes ago · Like · 2

Beach Candy Well said, Karen Avery
12 minutes ago · Like

Frances Gallagher THREAD CLOSED

Lizzy Hideho Taylor
Unfortunately ADMIN had to remove a thread due to several possible LIBELLOUS comments. We do not have time to scrutinise every post and delete individual posts. We need to remove the posts asap.

Some of you may not realise that we are scrutinised 24/7 and there is an effort to discredit us via the MEDIA. There have been THREE occasions where comments from CONTROVERSY have been used to gain sympathy for the McCanns. ('gun' comment was used on the front page of the Express TWICE!)

There is no room for discussion...If we feel there is a possible 'libel' post we WILL remove immediately and, as in this case, unfortunately the thread had to 'disappear' as well. We cannot jeopardise the group by entering into whether a decision is justified and apologise that we are unable to do so.

Please ensure that if you feel there is a SLIGHT chance that your posts could be libellous then please refrain from posting. We do our best but there are a lot of seconds in a day....where we may miss a posting.

This thread does not open up the opportunity to justify why a post is NOT libellous, freedom of speech etc. At the end of the day we want this group to be available and whether we like the 'rules of the game' or not,we are doing our best to make sure that happens...even though ADMIN decisions may not be to everyone's liking.

Thanks for your understanding...

HDH

Karen Oakley Piss off. You're a stupid control freak. I'll start my own discussion. That was a legal definition of libel. You removed it because you can't bear being wrong. Blocking you.
15 minutes ago via mobile · Like

Su Light I abide by your decisions.
7 minutes ago · Like · 1

Sam Studley Blimey Karen! Chill out a bit.
3 minutes ago · Like · 5

Suzanne Bosworth Lizzy is right. There's no room for discussion. These are the guidelines we use for THIS SITE because we want this site to remain open. The net is big enough for people to start their own guideline-free discussions.
about a minute ago · Like · 2

Karen Oakley Chilling - on my wall. Comments I dislike will be deleted. Enough's enough. I don't want to waste any more energy.

Zora McCartney The concern isn't only with being sued for libel though. We want to avoid being discredited by the media over things that can't be proven via the police files or things which appear to be hurtful or unnecessarily nasty
10 minutes ago via mobile · Like · 2

Karen Oakley It does if it means we can't discuss the topic under discussion!
9 minutes ago via mobile · Like

Karen Oakley Sexual abuse is nastier than manslaughter? Is there a person here who thinks M. is alive?
7 minutes ago via mobile · Like · 1

Zora McCartney the PJ don't think she is alive so it's reasonable to discuss that possibility.
6 minutes ago · Like

Waleed Al-Uzaizi http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/humiliation-for-sally-bercow-as-speakers-wife-faces-150000-bill-over-lord-mcalpine-libel-tweet-8630311.html
6 minutes ago · Like

Karen Oakley But we have to say we think her death was an accident, even if we don't think that? This is farcical.
4 minutes ago via mobile · Like

Frances Gallagher Karen Oakley Please take this as a warning, Lizzy has explained why admin may feel they have to remove threads .
2 minutes ago · Like · 1

Zora McCartney It's a little more nuanced than that I think but we have to be careful for the reasons already stated. Hideho IS the owner of the group and is putting up with a lot of abuse and attempts to discredit her and even her business recently. Anyone who wants this group to remain must be prepared to support her as she is the one who will ultimately carry the can if it all goes belly up.]

Karen Oakley Frances Gallagher: I'm gone.

Pat Kennedy Lizzy's absolutely right -we can't afford to leave possibly libellous comments on while the various parties debate the issue. We can't afford to jeopardise this site.
A few seconds ago · Like · 1

Suzanne Bosworth There's nothing the opposition would like better than to see infighting here. We're all responsible adults and we all have to make concessions every day to systems that ask us to abide by guidelines. This site is for Madeleine. If we can't behave respectfully towards one another and help this site stay open then we're losing the focus of what this site is intended for.

Shiela Bashier It is very easy to post something in haste that can be misconstrued ! And this is what the People who do not believe Our theory want us to do so they can blow a post out of all proportion and make us all seem like vile uncaring People ,This is not what we are about or the image we want ! So please be careful as words once spoken cannot be taken back and are very likely to appear in a newspaper !!!

Frances Gallagher Off topic posts have been deleted. Please read lizzy's guidelines,
about an hour ago · Edited · Like · 2

Shank Chubb thanks Frances...sorry
56 minutes ago · Edited · Like · 1

Frances Gallagher that's okay. We have to apply the rules as we are being monitored very closely.

Bear Grizz Just a thought **grabs honey from the jar**. What if we set up a separate splinter group where we could let off steam a bit? A rant group if you may which would give members a chance to cry, rant or a safe haven for a laugh? That way, this group retains its respectability and morality while focusing on the facts/files while we can cater for people letting off a bit of steam in the new group. We're all human and it seems that there is room for serious debate but we should be mindful that this group is all about seeking justice and we should seek to strike a balance between our rational thoughts as well as our emotions. Such a group would be only open to members here and not viewable by others. Just a thought and if that makes me dangerous, I deserve to be put on the naughty steps.

Inez Shooter
I have had a look through my posts and have deleted the ones that are not connected to the files, saves Admin some time. I do see posts here that stick and are not concerning the files so am confused. Don't want to cause problems so I'm away to rethink how worthy my contributions are.
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Frances Gallagher We just deleted posts that were not directly connected to the files as there were too many of them, Your contribution is of course valuable top us but with high numbers we would ask posters to think before they open new threads. It makes it easier to admin Inez.

Lizzy Hideho Taylor You may appear one day in a book that studies the interaction between members in a controversial issue like Madeleine's disappearance... Not EVERYONE is 'team McCann' just because they disagree... but their agenda is no more acceptable.

AliZon Wonderland Robson Like a pack of chattering idiots. Never seen so much vile...Bear wants slapping as do quite a few others of more amateur status.....bad mannered fools. Penny is perfectly entitled to have her opinion. Having read this thread, I am removing myself. <shakes head> AMATEURS.
20 minutes ago · Like · 3

Karen Miller Thank goodness for some sense alizon! I couldn't believe what I was reading last night. I thought this was an open discussion group where people were able to read info and make up their own mind not be brainwashed into a certsin way of thinking and if you don't conform be bullied for it. What a pack of wolves!
7 minutes ago via mobile · Like · 2

Daniela Agliolo it was awful last night Karen.. this is a list of what you are NOT supposeto to do on here...... NOT ACCEPTABLE: * Anything accusatory that could be considered LIBEL (eg. Using 'M' and 'K' words etc.) * No FOUL language * RIDICULE towards ANYONE * BICKERING & BULLYING between members (keep personal matters personal) * CONSPIRACY' theories that are not based on the Police Files. * Unsubstantiated SPECULATION. * NO linking to 'pro' sites

Daniela Agliolo ridicule.. bickering.. bullying... all there last night and not from Penny.
3 minutes ago via mobile · Like · 2

Karen Miller Omg and am I right in saying lizzy wad admin?
about a minute ago via mobile · Like · 1

Daksina Dowdall I too am removing myself from this group as it seems very obvious that anyone who doesn't tow the party line is abused and blocked. Admin are quick to jump to the defense of members who agree with them and get abused on here but when those who haven't made up their minds, or disagree about what happened, get abused NO ONE steps in and it is laughed off! I'm a relatively new member and have refrained from posting much for fear of being hung, drawn and quartered simply for having a different opinion. Because, of course, anyone who doesn't agree with admin is a troll.
Goodbye and good luck. There is a lot of useful and interesting information/theories on here. It's just a shame that those who disagree get abused, bullied and blocked. Thoroughly disgusted.