tigerloaf » Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:08 pm
They simply don't have a clue how the real world works. They are so wrapped up in the hate and the need to clamber over each another in their haste to drag themselves to the depths of hate, profanity or simple abusiveness that they don't relate to what normal people relate to. The non-stop fighting is endemic in their world. The immediate abuse thrown by them at Brenda Leyland as soon as they saw her inability to respond to Brunt is a perfect example. They attacked her like wild animals.
They've forgotten that society is not anarchic and pornographic as their online world appears to be. It needs law and standards for it to be successful.
I know who is standing up for law, decency and Madeleine McCann.
It is not the filthy-mouthed scum who abuse her parents based on lies, it is not the filthy-mouthed scum who support the criminal ex-cop who failed Madeleine McCann. It is not the filthy-mouthed scum who tried to swamp the Crimewatch lines as part of their sick games. It is not the filthy-mouthed scum who attacked a witness in the McCann case and deliberately tried to damage her job prospects (one of these being Brenda Leyland of course). It is not the filthy-mouthed scum who daily abuse each other in the most vile and sickening arguments. It is not the filthy-mouthed scum who tweet, post, repost and retweet the most disgusting images of the McCanns and even dead children believing these to be hilarious. And it is not even the hangers-on who support this scum by interacting with them, egging them on and generally supporting them in their libel and abuse.
They should spend a few hours looking at their own tweets and posts and learning that freedom of speech is not a game. It is a privilege and a right which comes with responsibilities. They demonstrate every single day that they can't handle the responsibility.
And yes, that word "snitching" when referring to someone who gave to the police, evidence of potential criminal activity tells us just what kind of people these are. They have no respect for law. They are the kind of scum who think being seen never to "grass" up anybody, even when it is as clear as anything that they are breaking the law and deliberately harassing an innocent family, is something to be applauded.
tigerloaf » Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:44 pm
I think they know deep down that their own actions are, almost certainly, in contravention of one or other of the two main Acts which relate to online abuse and harassment. I believe they are lashing out wildly because they think that it will be some kind of defence to say that others were doing the same as them. It is the infantile reasoning on which they so often base their arguments. The truth is that their actions do come within the remit of illegal activity. The actions they refer to by Pros simply do not.
They spend their hours sending their own filthy abuse and libel via the Twitter tags to the police. They are fools. They have been making the police aware of their illegal activity for years. Now that the police are actually investigating the anti-McCanns they have not only the dossier as evidence but the very tweets which they have sent to the police themselves. You really could not make it up.
I wonder, do they really think that their warped views, their slagging off of Jim Gamble, their fully documented attempts to interfere with potential witnesses at the Inquest, their online abuse of Brunt, their lunatic attempts to suggest that the McCanns were responsible for murdering Brenda Leyland will bring them some kind of kudos with the coroner?
I can assure them that anything and everything which is tweeted and or posted which I see and which I believe is a potential criminal action in relation to the Inquest itself (and so far there have been quite a few examples) will be sent by me to the Coroner for her direct attention. I am assured, having contacted officials from the Ministry of Justice personally, that any citizen who believes that the conduct of an Inquest is being interfered with has a duty to contact the Coroner directly to give evidence of such interference. There is already abundant evidence of such interference on anti-McCann sites and I have no doubt the frenzy of hate will cause more in the next few weeks. One offence which I am told goes down like a lead balloon within all courts is the deliberate attempt sometimes seen of wasting the Coroner's/Magistrate's/Judge's time with fallacious, time-wasting claims. It is pure contempt of the court.
It is interesting that the Met Police have handed responsibility to Leicestershire Police to investigate the entire dossier relating to the harassment of the McCanns. I am certain that they are taking a very full interest in the Coroner's Inquest, in what material is presented via BHH for the Coroner and ultimately in all those named at the Inquest as having been involved with Leyland in her online activity. It is Leicestershire Police who are currently investigating the death and the full background to the death of Brenda Leyland, One of their principal resources in that investigation will be the computers which she used and the contacts she made via those computers. Had she been considering suicide there could well be evidence of that? Had she been in conversation with Brunt as she claimed to be then that will be on the drives of the computer(s).
As they are currently involved in finalising the investigation into Leyland's death, I have no doubt that the more general investigation into the trolling of the McCanns by Leyland and others will be on the back burner. Both the investigation into Leyland's death and the result of the Inquest will be fed into the more general investigation into the content of the original dossier probably after Christmas. It is not going to be a pleasant time for those who know they have both supported Leyland in her online activity or who have been harassing the McCanns alongside her over the years. They know that they are under the spotlight and no matter how frantically they try to lay blame for things on others, society will know that had she not been engaged in this disgraceful and almost certainly illegal online hounding of an innocent family then Leyland would still be alive and these other ghastly people would not be under police investigation.
urcrazy » Wed Oct 29, 2014 11:30 pm
Personally I doubt the coroner will dig anywhere near as deep as many seem to expect.
The main aims will be to establish how she died, and what happened in the few days leading up to her death. They wont be looking into twitterspats unless evidence has been found that they had a direct effect on her.
I expect the focus to be on the media storm and on what she said to Brunt off camera, as well as any contacts with friends and family.
Coroners are generally very good at not giving out information about the deceased which has no bearing on their death. They are also sensitive to families' feelings.
If this coroner has already been bombarded with piles of nonsense from twitter they will be aware what's going on and will try to minimise the further exposure of what she wrote and the sort of person she was associating with online.
Overall I will be surprised if any of the numpties 'evidence' gets an airing.
The last thing they will be investigating is the origin of the dossier, much as many haters would like them to.
tigerloaf » Wed Oct 29, 2014 11:53 pm
I have absolutely no doubt you are right about the Coroner. She is highly regarded and extremely well-qualified.
I will go so far as to state that none of the anti-McCann nonsense will be given any airing at all unless it is regarded by the Coroner as having been a deliberate attempt to interfere with the work of the court in which case it will most certainly be dealt with but not in a way that the antis will appreciate. I am not certain that there will be no reference to her online activity. That depends on whether there is any indication as to whether she was regretting her activity or not or afraid of her involvement being exposed. Such information could be relevant to cause of death.
The Coroner has a single aim, to determine cause of death. Only things which she believes are directly related to that issue will become part of the Inquest. That may involve communications she has had with her family, or with others. It may involve other writing on her computer or on paper. A letter or a diary perhaps. Medical reports from the pathologist, toxicologist, GP and potentially other specialists who had had contact with Leyland will be used. Witness evidence from those who spoke to her in the days leading up to her death may be relevant. Little else will come into the mix especially after the police have already stated that there are no suspicious circumstances.
As for the original dossier, there is no way that this will be dealt with in the Coroner's Inquest. It does not inform the cause of death beyond possibly being the explanation for Brunt confronting Leyland, though even that is not certain as Leyland claimed herself in her tweets to have been in contact with Brunt so that may have been his main reason for approaching her.
tigerloaf » Thu Oct 30, 2014 12:01 am
Cath wrote:What's made me really cry with laughter is that they've put a screenshot of that prank I posted in their 'dossier'.
Oh and someone should warn the idiots about the dangers of using a free 'anonymous proxy'.
There's lots of them camping at our door.
I am constantly laughing at the warped view of reality (that's a polite way of saying "pig ignorance") that they demonstrate. The bloody nonsense that they have been spouting about IPs is hilarious. Their ignorance of the fact that every time they look at a page on a forum their IP is openly visible and there is no need for any "illegal activity" to collect such IPs.
And some of them use free proxies believing that these hide their IPs. They just don't have a clue.
And some even think that the Police cannot get an IP from Twitter or Facebook. It is a well-known fact that it takes less than 48 hours for such IPs to not only be requested and received from social media sites but less than a few hours for it then to be linked to a specific address and computer. Only the most stupid in society now believe that the police cannot easily identify them from their online actions. Only the most stupid in society believe free proxies have any real effect. Yet over and over we see the numpties make such claims. Proof of their ignorance in their own posts.