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    Post  Sykes Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:44 pm

    Madeleine McCann parents cannot give evidence at detective's libel trial, judge rules

    KATE and Gerry McCann were "disappointed" today after a judge ruled they cannot give evidence at the £1million libel trial of disgraced detective Goncalo Amaral.

    By: Tom Worden Published: Fri, January 3, 2014

    The couple wanted to take the stand to give explain how Amaral's book about the Madeleine case had left them devastated.

    But judge Maria de Melo e Castro ruled neither the McCanns nor the former police officer can give evidence in the case.

    The couple, both 45-year-old doctors from Rothley, Leics, are suing Amaral for £1 million over his book The Truth of the Lie and a related TV documentary.

    In the book Amaral, the former chief investigator on the case, claimed Madeleine died in the family's Algarve holiday apartment and accused the parents of faking her abduction.

    The McCanns say Amaral became rich by promoting his warped theories after being thrown off the investigation in October 2007, five months after Madeleine went missing.

    The judge also ruled Amaral cannot give evidence in the civil case, being heard at the Palace of Justice in Lisbon.

    The McCanns' lawyer Isabel Duarte said today: "Obviously Gerry and Kate were disappointed when they were told the news, but that is the judge's decision and they have to accept that.

    "We believe they have the right to give evidence in the case. But the judge has made up her mind."

    The judge informed the McCanns' legal team of her decision today.

    The libel trial began last September and had has heard how Mrs McCann contemplated suicide after Amaral's book was published.

    British psychologist Alan Pike, who counselled Madeleine's mother, said she confessed to secret "dark thoughts" about suicide after the book came out.

    The book was a best-seller in Portugal, selling 120,000 copies before it was removed from the shelves after the McCanns won an injunction.

    The documentary based on the book was broadcast by Portuguese station TVI in April 2009 and was watched by 2.2million viewers.

    Mr Amaral, 56, was thrown off the Madeleine investigation after publicly criticising British police involved in the case.

    He denies defamation and claims everything in the book is based on police and court files on the case, which have been made public.

    Lawyers for the McCanns, Amaral, the book publishers and the documentary producers, also being sued, are due to give their closing statements in the trial next Tuesday.

    Madeleine went missing during a family holiday in Praia da Luz, in May 2007.

    The case was shelved by Portuguese authorities the following year, but officially reopened last October when Portuguese police said there are "new lines of enquiry."

    Speaking of their bid to give evidence against Amaral soon after they applied to testify, Gerry said: "My wife Kate and I know better than anyone else what we have experienced and what we have gone through and the damage that has been caused to the search for Madeleine."

    Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 2h
    Gerry and Kate #mccann banned from giving evidence at resumption of ex-cop Goncalo Amaral's libel trial next week

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    Gerry & Kate #mccann hoped to tell Portuguese court how Amaral's book's claim they covered up daughter Madeleine's death had devastated them

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    Gerry & Kate #mccann applied to give personal statements to the court in Lisbon but have been denied the chance by the judge

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    Gerry & Kate #mccann said to be `very disappointed' by the ruling
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    Post  Sykes Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:16 pm

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    #mccann my understanding is if the judges wont allow gerry and kate to speak that means they may think that the mccans have no case?
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    Post  Broho Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:23 pm

    My understanding of chucky is that she is a nasty little waste of space.
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    Post  ssadie Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:15 pm

    I wonder why they were not allowed to speak in Court?  And why she fixed it that they were not allowed to speak in the next Court either?   When the main participants are not allowed to speak, it sounds like another stitch up in the Courts of PT.

    Only my opinion, of course ...


    but a considered opinion after ...

    1)  the Joana Cipriana Case, with shocking torture and NO evidence, nor forensics, but a conviction ...

    and ....
    2)  the very recent so called case against Leonor Cipriana.  Held behind closed doors FGS ! .

    Oh ... and lets not forget
    3)  the Michael Cook case ... where all the real evidence was NOT ALLOWED !   All the witnesses and facts that proved he did NOT do it, where not allowed in Court ... Jeez !

    Nor the case ....
    4)  the case against Virgilino Borges, where again torture was used, but which originally found against him IIRC and took, was it 10 years struggle to turm around.  During which time, no doubt all his normal life was ruined ... on hold.
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    Post  Sykes Fri Jan 03, 2014 5:11 pm

    Panda wrote:
    The couple wanted to take the stand to give explain how Amaral's book about the Madeleine case had left them devastated"

    See how the Press turns things around? The McCanns applied to be asistentes, not take the stand.!!!! They had no intention of returning to Portugal until they saw how poor their Witnesses performance was. I find this decision by the Judge heartening and if it turns out to be true that SY are investigating the Fund, I will die a happy Woman

    Comment: What? The 'assistentes' business is to do with the CRIMINAL investigation into Madeleine's abduction, and has naff-all to do with the CIVIL case against Gonzo.

    Oh, and the Fund is NOT being investigated, so looks like the hater will have to stay miserable. Which is all any of them deserve.
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    Post  Sykes Fri Jan 03, 2014 5:26 pm

    [quote]Rothley Pillowcase™ ‏@RothleyPillow 2h
    @JerryLawton Oh for goodness sake! Just spit it out! What's your problem? > Gotta run your own tweets through a #McCann lawyer first? #Jesus
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    Post  Rachel Granada Fri Jan 03, 2014 6:38 pm

    Broho wrote:My understanding of chucky is that she is a nasty little waste of space.  

    And ugly with it... beady little eyes and teeth like a row of bombed houses.
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    Post  Rachel Granada Fri Jan 03, 2014 6:40 pm

    It's disappointing that Kate and Gerry will not be allowed to speak about the devastation that Amaral's lies have caused, however perhaps the judge will already have written statements from them?

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    Post  Broho Fri Jan 03, 2014 7:16 pm

    I think that is why they are not being asked to give testimony, as the judge has everything she needs?

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    Post  coco Fri Jan 03, 2014 7:57 pm

    Quote from: Angelo222 on Today at 07:13:44 PM
    Oh they are deffo guilty. Its just a matter of what?? If Amaral wins and there is no reason why he shouldn't I can see another book and a film on the horizon.


    he still celebrating new year ?  drunken 
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    Post  Broho Fri Jan 03, 2014 8:09 pm

    Either that or he is simply one plain dyed in the wool hater.
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    Post  Sykes Fri Jan 03, 2014 9:13 pm

    What has now become more important, and why Amaral cannot speak in this case is because there is the possibility that the JIT will bring something to the Judicial table in due course. Amarals powder needs to be kept dry.
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    Post  Broho Fri Jan 03, 2014 9:15 pm

    Do they mean his johnson's baby powder to ease his sore rear end after the libel trial?  lol! 
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    Post  Rachel Granada Sat Jan 04, 2014 5:56 am

    Broho wrote:Do they mean his johnson's baby powder to ease his sore rear end after the libel trial?  lol! 

     lol! lol! 

    I can't believe that these thickos still think that Big Rock has an ace up his sleeve.
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    Post  Sykes Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:23 am

    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/358729/Madeleine-McCann-s-parents-left-furious-after-court-gags-them-from-giving-evidence

    Madeleine McCann's parents left furious after court gags them from giving evidence

    KATE and Gerry McCann were seething yesterday at being gagged from giving evidence against the man who accused them of covering up daughter Madeleine’s death.

    By Jerry Lawton/Published 4th January 2014

    They wanted to tell a Lisbon libel trial how ex-detective Goncalo Amaral’s claims left them devastated.

    But Portuguese Judge Maria de Melo e Castro ruled neither they nor Amaral could give evidence. The doctors, both 45, from Rothley, Leics, are suing Amaral, 56, for £1million over his book The Truth Of The Lie and a television documentary.

    Amaral, who led the investigation into three-year-old Madeleine’s disappearance in May 2007, claimed she died in the family’s Praia da Luz holiday apartment and accused the McCanns of faking her abduction. The couple claim Amaral added to their heartache and damaged the search.

    Amaral denies defamation and claims everything in the book is based on police and court files, which were made public.

    Their lawyer Isabel Duarte said: “Obviously Gerry and Kate were disappointed... We believe they have the right to give evidence in the case.’’

    On Tuesday lawyers for the McCanns, Amaral, publishers and the documentary producers will give their closing statements in the five-month long case.

    Last night a source close to the couple said: “They are very disappointed by the judge’s ruling. It is yet another blow. They will not be going to court. There is no point now. It would simply turn into a media circus.”
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    Post  Sykes Sat Jan 04, 2014 11:00 am

    From Myths with thanks to the forum and to Hael for her excellent post re the damage done by Amaral.
     Re: Madeleine McCann parents cannot give evidence at detective's trial

    Posted by Hael » Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:56 pm

    It was Amarals job to manage the McCann case. If you've had the chance to read the police files after they were released you will have seen that he formed his own opinion of what happened. He based it largely on misinterpretation of the early forensic findings and the inability to realise the actual purpose of 'cadaver dogs'. For whatever reason only known to him, he allowed his ego and honour to take centre stage and he started concentrating on proving the parents guilt in the disappearance of their daughter. He was way out of his depth. There is no doubt that his failure to run the investigation in a professional manner lead to his removal. He had already acquired a criminal conviction in the case of another missing child and the Portuguese police had to do damage limitation. Instead of allowing the Portuguese police to continue the search for Madeleine, Amaral used his connections to influence people’s opinion.

    And in this lies the issue.

    He didn't just have an opinion or as is termed 'freedom of opinion', he influenced others to form the same opinion. His influence was so great that it made a real life change to the way the investigation was run. People who didn't know Amaral from a bar of soap prior to the case, now suddenly formed support groups in real life and on the internet. These groups aim was to spread the propaganda. To spread lies and misinformation so that Amarals theory sounded more credible with each passing minute.

    People were encouraged not to look for Madeleine, because Amaral said she was dead. People were encouraged to take action against the McCann's whether it being signing a petition to get them prosecuted for child abandonment or having Dr Gerry McCann declared unfit for practice. When Kate McCann was elected Ambassador for Missing People, a huge outcry went out and a campaign was launched to get her removed. Their friends and acquaintances were stalked on the internet and every bit of information that did not make any sense to the outsider, was twisted into some sinister fact about that person. This misinformation, sometimes as bad as openly calling someone a p.a.e.dophile, was intentionally spread to all corners of the internet.

    To make matters worse, Amaral participated in online communications with these people and went as far as to write a book in which he implies that Madeleine's parents had something to do with her death. He used every opportunity to manipulate others into believing that his freedom of opinion and right to freedom of speech outweighed the right of the McCann's not to be libelled. Their right to live a life free of defamation. He has influenced people to do the unthinkable. One of his supporters even openly talked of kidnapping the twins for their own protection! Other types of action; posters of missing Madeleine were defaced, Gerry McCann's place of work and the village they live in was pamphletted. These are just a few examples.

    It's not just about a police officer who didn't do his job properly; it's about what that police officer did to influence others. He influenced their behaviour in such a way that it DOES hamper the search for Madeleine.

    And if you can't see it, then you are blind. And if the Portuguese legal system can't see it, then its proof that it is corrupt.
    I would add to the last comment .... or they knew what had happened, were possibly involved or were at least complicit in a cover-up of one or more of their own.   Sykes
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    Post  ssadie Sat Jan 04, 2014 11:50 am

    Sykes wrote:From Myths with thanks to the forum and to Hael for her excellent post re the damage done by Amaral.
     Re: Madeleine McCann parents cannot give evidence at detective's trial

    Posted by Hael » Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:56 pm

    It was Amarals job to manage the McCann case. If you've had the chance to read the police files after they were released you will have seen that he formed his own opinion of what happened. He based it largely on misinterpretation of the early forensic findings and the inability to realise the actual purpose of 'cadaver dogs'. For whatever reason only known to him, he allowed his ego and honour to take centre stage and he started concentrating on proving the parents guilt in the disappearance of their daughter. He was way out of his depth. There is no doubt that his failure to run the investigation in a professional manner lead to his removal. He had already acquired a criminal conviction in the case of another missing child and the Portuguese police had to do damage limitation. Instead of allowing the Portuguese police to continue the search for Madeleine, Amaral used his connections to influence people’s opinion.

    And in this lies the issue.

    He didn't just have an opinion or as is termed 'freedom of opinion', he influenced others to form the same opinion. His influence was so great that it made a real life change to the way the investigation was run. People who didn't know Amaral from a bar of soap prior to the case, now suddenly formed support groups in real life and on the internet. These groups aim was to spread the propaganda. To spread lies and misinformation so that Amarals theory sounded more credible with each passing minute.

    People were encouraged not to look for Madeleine, because Amaral said she was dead. People were encouraged to take action against the McCann's whether it being signing a petition to get them prosecuted for child abandonment or having Dr Gerry McCann declared unfit for practice. When Kate McCann was elected Ambassador for Missing People, a huge outcry went out and a campaign was launched to get her removed. Their friends and acquaintances were stalked on the internet and every bit of information that did not make any sense to the outsider, was twisted into some sinister fact about that person. This misinformation, sometimes as bad as openly calling someone a p.a.e.dophile, was intentionally spread to all corners of the internet.

    To make matters worse, Amaral participated in online communications with these people and went as far as to write a book in which he implies that Madeleine's parents had something to do with her death. He used every opportunity to manipulate others into believing that his freedom of opinion and right to freedom of speech outweighed the right of the McCann's not to be libelled. Their right to live a life free of defamation. He has influenced people to do the unthinkable. One of his supporters even openly talked of kidnapping the twins for their own protection! Other types of action; posters of missing Madeleine were defaced, Gerry McCann's place of work and the village they live in was pamphletted. These are just a few examples.

    It's not just about a police officer who didn't do his job properly; it's about what that police officer did to influence others. He influenced their behaviour in such a way that it DOES hamper the search for Madeleine.

    And if you can't see it, then you are blind. And if the Portuguese legal system can't see it, then its proof that it is corrupt.
    I would add to the last comment .... or they knew what had happened, were possibly involved or were at least complicit in a cover-up of one or more of their own.   Sykes

    Fabulous post by Hael. flower 

    She put into words things that I have been thinking for years, but was unable to express.  Altho I have often talked about many of the elements of what she said and questioned agendas and motives.  People must be weary of my phrase "There has to be a reason", but for some of these astounding conclusions peeps come to, it is true.  

    Is the reason disinformation, propaganda + professionally controlled whipping up of feelings?



    I actually think that many of the antis have been "suckered in" to believing what they now believe.  Most of them are decent people who have believed the propaganda put about.  Has it been put about professionally?  Have paid people put it about?  Or, have people making money out of Human trafficking, or getting personal sordid pleasure from children, been pushing the agenda and whipping up feverish emotions ... and creating a "witch-hunt" ?

    Because if that is the case, these people whould be investigated.

    I actually feel sorry for some of the antis, who have been fed myths and lies ...and believed them.  Some are very sincere and actually believe that they are helping Madeleine


    Well done, Hael.  Your post is a cracker ! flower
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    Post  Rachel Granada Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:11 pm

    Ditto, a cracking post from Hael.
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    Post  benita Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:43 pm

    Rachel Granada wrote:Ditto, a cracking post from Hael.


    fantastic post Hael true in every point..well done  Very Happy 
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    Agree with everything said.

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