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    THE GONCALO AMARAL LIBEL TRIAL - PART 2

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    Post  Sykes Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:46 pm

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    Has the McCann vs Gonçalo Amaral libel trial become a comedy of errors?
    « on: Today at 10:36:45 AM »

    Day 6 at the McCann vs Gonçalo Amaral and Others libel hearing in Lisbon couldn't have been much worse for McCann family lawyer Isabel Duarte and her faithful assistant Ricardo Alfonso.

    Kate McCann's mother, Susan Healey, was scheduled to testify on day 2 of the trial but the Judge never made it back to the Court for the afternoon session. Worse was yet to come as an oversight by Mrs Duarte meant that although Mrs Healey again returned to the Court yesterday she was refused the opportunity to take the stand. Third time lucky perhaps you might say but that is not how the Portuguese Justice System works. Truth is that Mrs Healey may not now have an opportunity to give evidence to the trial.

    For his part, Gerry McCann has now appeared at the hearings over two days, he attended last Friday and again yesterday accompanied by Mrs Healey and his sister Patricia Cameron. Gerry never intended to testify but following a change in the Law (a plaintiff can now give evidence in a libel case) he decided to do so. Off course all of this might well be academic since it is the Judge who interprets the rulebook as to who will or will not give evidence and she appears to be becoming increasingly irritated at events. Whether Gerry McCann will ultimately be allowed to testify is as yet still to be determined.

    And as if it wasn't complicated enough, it now appears that former PJ Coordinator, Gonçalo Amaral, also wants to get in on the act and has applied to testify on his own behalf. Whether the good Judge will allow it is akin to so much in this case, an unknown quantity.

    Finally, it seems the action is not confined to the courtroom if events outside the Palace of Justice yesterday are anything to go by with McCann lawyer Isabel Duarte launching a screaming tirade towards our own correspondent. The reason? Simply because she dared take a photo of the disheveled Duarte and her assistant Ricardo Alfonso.

    It wasn't to end there though. Several hours later this exchange of words took a sinister new twist with Alfonso posting an ominous threat against our correspondent on twitter. One has to wonder is this really the conduct one would expect from professionals involved in such a high profile case?

    The McCanns have been plagued throughout their search for Madeleine by incompetents and unprofessional conduct by those they have contracted. By the looks of it they have managed it all over again.
    « Last Edit: Today at 11:06:45 AM by John »
    And here are the ominous threat and also a translation of the second tweet:
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    Ricardo Afonso ‏@RicardoCAfonso 12h
    @aacg @xklamation Sra. Anne Guedes agradeço retire do UK justice forum a foto que bem sabe nao lhe foi autorizada. Tem ate as 12h de amanha

    Ricardo Afonso RicardoCAfonso @ 11am
    @ @ AACG xklamation thank Mrs. Anne Guedes remove the UK justice forum the photo and not know it was allowed. Have until 12am tomorrow's

    The first tweet translates as "if not to remove, will react accordingly"
    Ominous?  The stupid creature had taken a photo in a restricted/forbidden area - what were they going to do, shrimp her to death?   Oh, the threat story was started by - yes, you gueessed right, her of no brain at all - emu.   And here's the proof guedes know the picture was illegal, her post on Justice:
    Quote from: AnneGuedes on October 02, 2013, 07:52:09 PM
    Anyhow I sent pictures to John. This one is a stolen photograph, you're not allowed to take pictures inside of the Palácio da Justiça, I was about to delete it and then found it expressed what happened to Mrs Healy to-day. But the 3 British left in a rather good mood, much better than the weather. Mrs Duarte though had a gloomy face.
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    Post  Sykes Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:15 pm

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    Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
    « Reply #430 on: Today at 02:53:01 AM »

    Quote from: Benice on Today at 02:24:58 AM
    But that's the whole point - i.e. A legal system where the fact that a technicality (ID's forgetfulness) can actually prevent an important witness from taking the stand is wrong IMO and has lost sight of the reasons why they are all there in the first place.


    But everywhere it's easier to find a formal error than to judge on a delicate matter.
    I felt sorry for Mrs Healy. Actually I felt sorry for all the McCann witnesses because I'm not sure this trial has been properly prepared and I doubt they've been informed of the content of the AG report. I've observed, amazed, the mistakes of a lawyer I suspect is more interested in her autopromotion than in working hard to win the case.
    Could the enboldened sentence be construed as possible libel? Just a thought.
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    Post  Sykes Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:19 pm

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    « Reply #416 on: Today at 01:33:52 AM »
    Quote from: icabodcrane on October 02, 2013, 09:25:18 PM
    John, who did Isabel Duarte launch a vicious tirade against ... do you mean Anne ?


    Yes and now I've received a link to a tweet where her assistant, a sort of bull dog, is threatening me. He wants the photo I took (ID screamed at me when I was trying to make a better one..) and which is here (has somebody seen it ?) to be removed otherwise he kills me.
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    And where in the tweets in the post above does he threaten to terminate her?
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    Post  Sykes Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:31 pm

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    Post  coco Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:05 pm

    wonder if she's getting her 'reports' from santos after they've been translated into proper english and tweaked a bit to suit her audience ?
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    Post  Sykes Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:55 pm

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    Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
    « Reply #448 on: Today at 03:44:06 PM »

    Quote from: gilet on Today at 03:37:00 PM
    Do you have any evidence for this extremely public claim that Ricardo Afonso (who you describe so derogatively) threatened to kill you or are you simply laying yourself open to a defamation suit for lying about the man?

    There is certainly no evidence of any threat to kill you on his twitter feed
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    An unfortunate blip in translation Gilet, oka a figure of speech. One of the Global Mods has already posted about this today.
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    Post  Sykes Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:29 pm

    Gilet:

    The question is not about it being a figure of speech when used.

    The question is about the fact that Anne Guedes claimed that Ricardo Afonso used this threat when he did no such thing and you are apparently trying to hide the fact that she lied about what Afonso said, presumably to protect her.

    I am certain that you would not take the same steps to protect other posters who posted such clear libel. They would be subject to threats of banning.
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    Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
    « Reply #451 on: Today at 04:11:39 PM »
    Quote from: icabodcrane on Today at 04:08:58 PM
    oh do give over gilet ... you've done nothing but snipe at Anne since this trial began

    For heaven's sake stop being so bitter and petty


    So my questioning of Anne Guedes regarding her posting lies about a lawyer threatening to kill her is in your view just "bitter and petty"?

    That is what I would expect you to say, actually. It shows your priorities regarding truth very clearly.
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    Post  Sykes Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:59 pm

    Guedes:

    You're lucky not to be banned, Gilet. Mr Afonso threatened me, that's a fact. Of what, I don't know, but I can't stand threats. My first reaction is to fight, especially because I never ever attempted to ridicule Mrs Duarte and I would never ever have posted an ugly picture of her, but I stepped back for the sake of reports you are reading..
    When I do a picture of a person, I ask before, as I did in the case of Dra Fatima Esteves. I wasn't picturing Dra Duarte but a press conference and, when she screamed at me, I stopped immediately. The picture you saw had been taken before and my bad quality cell phone takes ages before I can take a second picture.
    Ironically enough, I took that picture for you, on this forum, have a feeling of what was happening. Do you think I wanted a picture for my gallery of best beloved ?
    She has definitely swallowed the Devil's Book of Lies.
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    Post  Sykes Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:02 pm

    Gilet:

    Why am I "lucky not to be banned"? What business of yours is it who is banned here? And why should I be banned for asking you to evidence a claim that you yourself made here? Is it wrong now to ask for evidence of claims made by other posters?

    And now you come here, having made a public declaration that Ricardo Afonso threatened to kill you and you have the gall to state that in fact you don't know what he said to you?

    I don't give a flying fig about the photo which you posted and which you claimed to have been taken illegally. Why did you claim it was taken illegally, though, if as Luz claims such photos are not illegal?

    I asked you about the evidence you had for posting that Ricardo Afonso threatened to kill you. I now know from your post above that you have no such evidence, that you don't even know what Afonso threatened you with and that you simply posted a lie. Thank you for answering my question so honestly.
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    Post  Sykes Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:26 pm

    Gilet:

    There might be a thread of hope in what you post but for the fact that Anne Guedes has openly admitted that she has no idea what the threat was and cannot evidence her claim that there was in fact any death threat as she posted earlier.

    A demand to have a photo removed from a forum and the inference that legal action may be taken if such is not removed is not a threat and most clearly not a death threat as Anne Guedes claimed.

    ChuckyCarlyMichelle:
    would you be saying the same if it was your beloved mcanns getting threarts like anne you would be kicking up a right stink

    Luz:
    Dear Anne you did nothing wrong and that man's tweets could be used to take him to court - I'm not sure if for harassment or attempted intimidation, as it was so foolish and uncalled for from a lawyer's assistant that I didn't give it much attention.

    I hoped this matter had been finished by now, and that everyone was grateful that you are providing us with the reports that neither the british media or the portuguese dared to publish.

    I'm sorry I wasn't there as I had planned, and I hope I still can make it for future sessions.

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    Quote from: carlymichelle on Today at 04:45:49 PM
    i find gilet very agresssive and rude anne i support you a 100%


    In return I find you rather self-centred and your posts lacking in logic. Anyone who is proud of having had a toddler's tantrum at the age of 11 and thereby having embarrassed her parents is rather lacking in awareness in my view.

    I support anyone who has been sent a death threat 100% in making that public. What I do not support is the fact that Anne Guedes made such a claim when no death threat had ever been made, thus defaming the person she suggested made it.

    c edwards i think gilet has anger mangement issues he is way too involved with the mcann side IMO
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    @RicardoCAfonso Did you threaten to kill Anne Guedes @aacg as she claims or is she telling lies about you? #McCann pic.twitter.com/C2FNepMcdo
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    Post  Broho Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:28 pm

    Then they wonder why we call them liars, haters and all the other words we use.  They are.
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    Post  coco Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:35 pm

    wot a farce , do they really expect anyone cept thicko forkers to believe Guedes after this ?

    How to lose your credibility in one easy lesson.
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    Post  Sykes Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:55 pm

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    Re: McCann lawyer Ricardo Alfonso orders Anne to remove his picture..
    « Reply #53 on: Today at 05:22:48 PM »

    Quote from: AnneGuedes on Today at 04:53:55 PM
    Exactly. A threat is a threat and you worry more when you don't know what you have to protect yourself from. Obviously, as obviously everybody will have understood, it didn't pass my mind Mr Afonso would take my life for an innocuous picture.


    But you have not even demonstrated that any kind of threat was ever made!

    The tweets suggest that Afonso was well within his rights to ask you to remove the picture that you had illegally posted without his permission and that he would as is his right take appropriate action (recourse to law) to deal with the situation if you did not remove the photo.

    You then lied that these tweets were threats and even more oddly stated they were death threats.

    There is no justification whatsoever for your defamation of Afonso in this way
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    « Reply #104 on: Today at 05:50:17 PM »

    Quote from: icabodcrane on Today at 05:44:40 PM
    You nasty lot who are bullying Anne are a bunch of thugs !

    shame on you

    That is all ( I'm logging out for a while because this spiteful nonsense is winding me right up )


    You really do show yourself up when defending someone who has posted lies about receiving death threats by calling those who regard that action as wrong as "a bunch of thugs".

    It is neither thuggish nor is it bullying to ask someone who makes such claims to defend their actions, especially when we can all see that the tweets described as a death threat are no such thing and especially when the person making those claims has brought this upon herself by illegally posting a photo of someone without gaining their permission as is necessary in Portugal.

    Anne Guedes has admitted on this forum that she didn't know what the threats were. Hardly surprising as they did not exist. That she has with Joana Morais overnight chosen to regard a suggestion that were the photo not removed then legal action would be taken as a threat (even a death threat) says a great deal about her level of understanding of written language rather than anything else.

    And your going off in a hissy fit does not disguise any of that.
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    Re: McCann lawyer Ricardo Alfonso orders Anne to remove his picture..
    « Reply #49 on: Today at 04:54:12 PM »

    Quote from: carlymichelle on Today at 04:49:27 PM
    would you be saying the same if it was your beloved mcanns getting threarts like anne you would be kicking up a right stink

    Anne wasn't threatened. The Mccanns live with threats of personal violence, firebombing their house and kidnapping their children, and have done for 6 years. Anne was told to remove an illegal photograph from display or action would be taken. Anne twisted that into a threat.
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    Post  Sykes Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:31 pm

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    « Reply #159 on: Today at 06:33:31 PM »

    Quote from: John on Today at 06:27:24 PM
    Lets all calm down now please before I lock this thread permanently and that is a THREAT!

    If the lawyers didn't want publicity they wouldn't stand there making spiel with the Press, they would exit by the back door otherwise known as a 'sharp exit'.


    Before you do John can I just say....

    Carly please do shut up - you are like the forum parrot
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    Post  Sykes Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:51 pm

    Guedes changes the story yet again:
    He just said "I'll take action accordingly (to the removing or not of the photo)".
    The photo is obviously not at stake. It's a group and nobody has a funny expression. What is at stake is that a member of the public can report what happens in a court room, as a free lance journalist would do, but without any of the constraints that a free lance has. This was challenged yesterday, be aware of that. Otherwise, Dra Duarte would have said "please don't put pictures with me on in some sort of forum" and I wouldn't have even mentioned it.
    Now a UK journalist who was there, to avoid an altercation, said I was a journalist. I denied and I would have told the truth if by chance Dra Duarte had asked me what exactly I was doing. She didn't. But another journalist, the one who writes for 5 newspapers, did and was told I was reporting "for the people" and where he would find the reports in any case.
    Ms Duarte knows where the reports are appearing.
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    Post  Sykes Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:09 pm

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    Re: McCann lawyers and the altercation over taking their photos.
    « Reply #117 on: Today at 07:32:35 PM »

    Quote from: DCI on Today at 07:22:24 PM
    Do you think Justice forum should involve themselves on twitter, in arguments between Anne and Ricardo Alfonso?.


    Yes, admin was right to post that comment since Anne was acting as our correspondent.

    And there endeth the saga...this thread is now closed.

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    Post  Sykes Sat Oct 05, 2013 10:30 am

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    Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
    « Reply #456 on: Today at 04:21:57 AM »

    Quote from: AnneGuedes on Today at 02:03:19 AM

       If this book had an effect (and I admit it had, though I can't conceive loosing a daughter hadn't the worst of all possible effects), then it had one on all the close members of the family, the grand mothers, the grand father, the uncles and aunts on the father side. It's difficult to discriminate between your own pain and the compassionate pain you feel for those you love.


    So think about what you think that you are doing.  It has all been done before, albeit by people who are a bit more honest than you are.
    You thought that you could amaze us all by photographing a woman who has never sought the limelight, and did not wish  to be photographed.  How fucking dare you?  Who the f..k do you think you are?
    What you did was untenable.

    Her "Bull Dog"  was only protecting her.  But then you had no right to photograph him either,  or any other person.

    I don't actually care if you lied about the "Death Threat".  That was just about the most stupid thing.  Not one single person actually believes that.

    But if you want them to believe it then you only do harm to your own beliefs.  
    Well said!   A thought - since we know Guedes' English is well below par, how did she understand Mrs Cameron and her heavy Glaswegian accent?  Even Scots can have problems deciphering that.
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    Post  Sykes Sat Oct 05, 2013 11:58 am

    The latest report. Day 6. By Guedes, edited by John.
    Libel trial McCann v Gonçalo Amaral - Day 6 Witness No1

    (02.10.2013, 10:10 am) The Judge arrives. TVI's lawyer is missing. The Judge dictates a note to the Clerk of the Court relating to the delay.

    The McCann’s lawyer, Dra Isabel Duarte, reminds the Court that on 12th September 2013, the Complainants requested that Guerra & Paz produce the receipts signed by Gonçalo Amaral relating to his book copyrights.

    Lawyer for Dr Amaral, Dr Santos de Oliveira, objects, but the Judge refers to the new CPC and states that a party can present documents at any time up to the end of the sessions.

    The Judge rules that the defence must deliver up the documents requested.

    In relation to the order in which the witnesses will give testimony, the Judge suggests that Mrs Cameron (Gerry McCann’s sister) testifies in the afternoon, but ID objects stating that this was not possible since her flight back to the UK departs shortly after lunch. The witness Henrique Machado cannot swap places with Mrs Cameron because he has an appointment also around that time.

    The Judge decides that he will hear Mrs Cameron as the first witness immediately followed by Mr Machado whilst third witness Mr Dâmaso is asked to come back at 2.30pm for the afternoon session.

    The TVI lawyer has still not arrived but the Judge says the session will start regardless. Dr Santos de Oliveira pleads the missing lawyer’s case and attempts to obtain a further 5 minutes adjournment as it appears that the TVI lawyer is stuck in a traffic queue following a road accident.

    The testimony as it happened...

    (02.10.2013, 10:25 am) (Patricia Cameron née McCann) Trish Cameron. Divorced and a nurse by occupation.

    The Judge asks her where she was when Madeleine disappeared.
    TC answers she was at home at the time, she was married and living in ......... She thinks that she was the first person Gerald McCann called after Madeleine was taken. She says she spoke to her local police and then spoke with her mother. She managed to get to Praia da Luz by the 5th May 2007 and remained there for 3 months before returning to the UK. She later returned to Praia da Luz.

    The Judge asks how frequently she speaks with her brother and sister in law and whether she meets them sometimes.
    TC says she calls them on the phone and sends SMS as well as visiting them in Rothley. But when something important occurs such as this trial she is in daily contact with them.

    The Judge asks what the distance is from her home to that of the McCanns in Rothley.
    TC says it’s about 330 miles.

    The Judge asks whether TC feels free to tell the truth, in spite of her relationship with the McCanns.
    TC answers "yes".

    The Judge asks whether TC can swear by her honour.
    TC swears.

    1) McCann family lawyer, Isabel Duarte, is the first to question the witness.

    ID – We are here to discuss the eventual consequences, in the McCann family's life, of the publication of Mr Amaral's book and of the broadcast of the documentary based on that book. Have you read the book and watched the documentary?
    TC – Yes, both.

    ID – In which circumstances have you read the book and watched the documentary?
    TC – Gerry called me on the phone and told me about the book and...

    ID interrupts asking the witness to speak more slowly because she wants to understand. To explain, Trish Cameron speaks quickly and with a strong Glaswegian accent rendering translation to Portuguese difficult at times.

    TC (resuming) – Gerry was very upset about the documentary.

    ID – Under what circumstances did you read the book?
    TC says Gerry telephoned her asking for help and for her to come and stay with them.

    ID – Had Gerry just been made aware of the book? Was it translated?
    TC thinks he had a translated version

    ID – Do you know who did the translation?
    TC answers her husband found it on the internet.

    ID – When did he watch the documentary?
    TC says it was much later. Gerry told her they were feeling very bad and that everybody believed the documentary. Asked again, she remembers that it was broadcast in April 2009.

    ID – What do you know about the consequences, following the shelving of the case?
    TC says that right after the case had been closed, the book appeared saying her brother and sister in law were somehow involved and that meant no-one would look for Madeleine. As soon as the book was published, people’s opinions started to change. Though "we know that the book doesn't tell the truth", while they were trying to get some balance, people didn't believe the official version. When they came back to the UK, the people supported them. After the book was published, the number of supporters decreased. She says she used to help her brother and sister in law and had to make sure that someone would watch over them when she had to leave.

    ID – For how long have you been doing this?
    TC says she did it every time she had days off or a long week-end. Many people came to help.

    ID – How were the McCanns at that time?
    TC says that Kate was very low, she wasn't able to face daily life and Gerry had to go to work. Kate used to go to the church and visit a counsellor, but she didn't go to the shops and had no social life. TC adds she helped with the cooking and with looking after the other two children.

    ID – Was the situation difficult before the book was published? What was the difference between the before and after?
    TC says that it was very different. Before, when they were arguidos, they were quite unhappy, but the effect of the book was very different because it offered a conclusion which effectively was demonising and dehumanising her brother and her sister in law.

    ID – Was the reaction to the book equal to that of the documentary?
    TC (doesn't answer the question, might not have properly understood) The book was the first thing, it spread quickly, there was a lot of publicity. People started to turn their backs on them and nobody was looking for Madeleine.

    ID – On which occasion did the McCann couple feel completely destroyed?

    The Judge overrules the question.

    ID – How did they know that people had turned their backs on them?
    TC says that many people read the book and that as the book was written by the inspector who led the criminal investigation, the people believed that he was telling the truth. She adds that the book wouldn't have had so much success if it wasn't written by the head of the investigation. She says there was a lot of publicity about the book even before it was published. The reader is led to a conclusion which is false, it is a lie. She adds that the McCanns were already living the nightmare of having lost their eldest daughter and the book increased their distress saying they didn't care for their children.

    ID – Was their despair related to the information that was coming from Portugal?
    TC says they were vilified. If the book tells lies, how will people help them?

    ID – Did they stop socialising after the book was published and why?
    TC says they have resumed a social life only a year ago or so, but adds that they don't go out much. They feel better when they are in friend’s homes.

    ID – Were they despised by friends?
    TC says "no", but when some of the locals in Portugal screamed at them, they were advised to take security measures.

    ID – Do you have something more to say about the effect of the book and the documentary?
    TC speaks of the internet, the fact that the files are public and very easy to access even by children.

    ID – What relationship do you have with the children (the twins)?
    TC says they get along very well with them, they have a very close relationship.

    ID – When did the twins go to school for the first time?
    TC – It was in August when they were 5 years old.

    ID – Do they read and write easily?
    TC answers "yes".

    ID – Do they know of the book and its conclusions?
    TC says that some pupils mentioned it at school. Last week Amelie told that somebody had spoken about it at school.

    ID – Have you heard her say this?
    TC says "no".

    ID – What about Sean?
    TC says she doesn’t know.

    ID – What did Amelie say?
    TC – People were speaking about her.

    ID – Was she more specific?
    TC – No, and Kate tried to minimize this. She says that in the past Sean asked his father, "Are you famous?", because a friend told him he had seen his father on TV. Gerry said he wasn't famous, that all this was because of Madeleine.

    ID – Do the children have access to the internet at school?
    TC says "yes", but she thinks it is monitored and controlled.

    ID asks whether the attention of the media increased or decreased after the publication of the book and the documentary.
    TC says it increased.

    ID – How do you know?
    TC explains that her husband collaborated in the (Madeleine Fund) website. There was much more activity on-line.

    ID – And in the media, did they talk of the book?
    TC Not so much. But they (the McCanns) received information from Portugal according to which the matter was very much talked about.

    ID – Can you name the people who said so?
    TC names Susan Hubbard, but says she doesn't know the others.


    2) Defence lawyers.

    a) Santos Oliveira (GA lawyer) questions

    SO – You said the book had a big effect on the McCanns. Have you knowledge of a Petition containing some 17,000 signatures which originated in the UK in January 2008, which demanded that Social Services investigate the family about the children being left alone?

    ID tries to protest against this question, but the Judge overrules.

    TC says she heard about it.

    SO – How did the McCanns react to that? In what state were they?
    TC says they were unhappy.

    SO – Do you know that 70% of the UK people, in August 2007, protested against the fact the McCanns had left their children alone?
    TC answers "no".

    SO – Did you know the UK police indicated that the child could be dead?
    TC answers "no".

    SO – Why do you assume that the book is conclusive?
    TC Because there's only one conclusion.

    SO – Have you knowledge of the process which made the McCanns arguidos?
    TC says the fact they were arguidos was public.

    SO clarifies and speaks of the Attorney General’s Final Report according to which the most likely scenario was that Madeleine was dead.
    TC says she's aware of that.

    SO asks if the witness is aware that the closing of the case was inconclusive because of lack of evidence and therefore recommended the lifting of the arguido status?
    TC answers "yes".

    SO – Then why was it worse when the book was published?
    TC – There's no alternative in the book. It says that Madeleine died accidentally and her parents tried to cover it up.

    SO – Last week, Amelie mentioned that they were talked about at school and that previously it had never happened. Does it have something to do with this trial?
    TC – Yes, it does.

    ID – When you were told about the Petition against the McCanns...

    The Judge corrects – for the Social Services

    ID – What do you know was done?
    TC doesn't know much. She knows that measures were taken against it, they went to Court. She doesn't know much more.

    The Judge – A senhora pode ir à sua vida = The lady may go back to her life

    TC says she wishes to say something. She states that Kate studied the PJ files and the process and said it was very different from what is in the book.

    SO protests and ID even more.

    The Judge overrules saying that it falls to the Court to compare the book and the investigation process and she does not need the intervention of the witness to do so.

    Evidence ends.
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    Post  coco Sat Oct 05, 2013 12:24 pm

    she doesnt mention that Goncs going to court looking like he's sleeping rough .


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    Post  Broho Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:49 pm

    What's that large spot on his forehead between his eyes?
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    Post  coco Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:58 pm

    he's always had that .

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    maybe it's like, the devil's thumbprint or summat ?
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    Post  Broho Sat Oct 05, 2013 4:23 pm

    Its either that or a target on his head. lol! lol! 
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    Post  coco Sat Oct 05, 2013 4:51 pm

    it would match the yellow streak down his back lol! 

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