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    Post  WM3 on Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:21 pm

    Her latest load of whatever - sorry, it's long and boring as hell, and with enough holes in it to sink a battleship.

    Lord spare us, she's done another blog.

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    It is terrible, it really is. She needs to go into another line of business.

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    The Smith family sighting or the Jane Tanner sighting; which is more likely to be someone carrying off Maddie than the other? Or, could they be, as the McCanns now encourage us to believe, the same man?

    Let's start with a question we commonly hear about possible suspect sightings: when someone is spotted near a crime scene who has nothing to do with the crime but never comes forward and says, "That was me," doesn't that prove that the person spotted is indeed the suspect?

    Not necessarily. First of all, the sighting may not even be a fact. Jane Tanner's sighting lacks credibility, so is no surprise that some innocent man carrying a child in his outstretched arms hasn't come forward (although Stephen Carpenter, another British vacationer, admitted to crossing the road fifteen minutes later with his wife and children). On the other hand, the Smith family sighting at approximately 9:50-9:55 is very credible since nine witnesses saw the man and they have no connection to the McCanns. So, that no one came forth to admit being that man may be because he is really the one carrying off Maddie.

    Secondly, some people just don't want to admit it was them and then have the unpleasant repercussions of having to deal with the police and the media. Look what happened to Murat.

    Next, we have the issue of how the child was carried. Dead or alive, the Smith sighting suspect carried the child up against his body in a more normal carry position. The child's arms were hanging down which would be absolutely the case with a dead child (although it is also possible with a live one). Mr. Smith later saw a video of Gerry carrying one of his remaining children and thought the man his family had seen could well be him. The Jane Tanner sighting has the abductor holding a limp child in his outstretched arms. This is an odd way to carry a child any distance as it is awkward and tiring. Also, if the man abducted the child, he would be far smarter to carry the child up against his shoulder where he could duck his head down alongside the child's head and keep his own face somewhat hidden. Carrying the child at waist level leaves one's face exposed and draws attention to the person due to the odd positioning of the child.

    And how does it make sense that the abductor would carry the abducted child that way? If he scooped Maddie up from her bed, her head would naturally end up over his right arm and Jane Tanner wouldn't have seen two little feet. And how does the man get out the door and close it behind him with both hands cradling the child? (Not to mention, closing the door when you are in a hurry - since "the abductor" already have left evidence of a break-in with the open window - it is hardly is worth the effort.)

    Mr. Smith believes Gerry McCann may be the man he saw on the Rua da Escola. Some say this is an impossibility because Gerry was dining in the Tapas Restaurant at the time of the sighting. Well, he is if you believe some of the statements of the Tapas 9 but there is no independent corroboration by any of the waiters that he was there exactly when Kate sounded the alarm after 10 pm nor can any independent witness put Gerry in the Tapas restaurant for the period of time prior to Kate raising the alarm. So there is nothing to say that this wasn't Gerry that the Smith's saw who then dumped the child he was carrying and returned to take his seat in the Tapas just before Kate showed up.

    But, could he have made it to the location of the Smith sighting and back in time? Before I went to Praia da Luz I was told by some the idea was laughable, that the Smith sighting was quite a distance from the Tapas - half a mile is what the McCanns claim in their documentary, Madeleine was Here.

    Voice over: It is possible that JT is not the only person who saw Madeleine being carried away by the abductor. 40 minutes after J(T)’s sighting and half (1/2) mile away from the Mc’s apartment a family also saw a man carrying a young girl away from the town.

    When I looked at a map before I went to Portugal on Google and put in the locations, I did come up with 800 meters (half-mile) but that was by car and followed a rather circuitous route. the walking route didn't seem that far and, indeed, Google said it would take six minutes.

    This is the advantage of going to the location of the crime scene. I walked the route myself from the McCann's apartment and the Smith sighting and it took me exactly five minutes at a moderately fast pace. It took me another minute and a half to reach the beach. So, the time Gerry would need from the time the Smiths would have seen him and get back to the Tapas bar and include a body drop off is about eight minutes. He could be in his seat before Kate raised the alarm. And that is eight minutes if he didn't run back, in which case, he could be arrive sooner.

    And, yes, it does take a bit of time to hide the body, but, in a pinch and a panic, I saw three good places to ditch a corpse in a hurry; a storage shed right by the road only part way to the beach (cutting an extra minute or so off the trip), a large clump of reeds where the road accesses the beach and one could quickly stuff the little body into, and, also at that location, a number of overturned small boats one could temporarily store a body underneath. At this point in time, if one would just trying to lose a dead child, any place might do, including a dumpster of which there were a number of in the area. If the body is later found in any of the those places, it could be suspected that a sex predator dumped his victim there, and, if the body wasn't immediately discovered and one had time to find a better spot to prevent the child being found and an autopsy done, any of these places could be revisited and the body moved in the dark early morning hours. If there was no one out searching, these locations are dead quiet and no one is around; I can testify to since I spent from 3 am to 5 am wandering about Praia da Luz and never ran into anyone.

    Which sighting is more likely to be Madeleine McCann? The Smith sighting, clearly, but the McCanns will have none of it unless it is the same man that Jane Tanner saw. I repeat what I stated in my last blog; there is no reason for the McCanns to disqualify the Smith sighting as a stand-alone sighting of the person who took Madeleine unless Gerry does not really have an alibi for 9:50-9:55 pm.

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    What a load of absolute tosh!

    Dead or alive, the Smith sighting suspect carried the child up against his body in a more normal carry position. The child's arms were hanging down which would be absolutely the case with a dead child (although it is also possible with a live one). Mr. Smith later saw a video of Gerry carrying one of his remaining children and thought the man his family had seen could well be him.

    Bit of a hole in that 'theory', Patsy, unless you think the child was dead when the McCann family left the plane.

    It gets even worse:

    And, yes, it does take a bit of time to hide the body, but, in a pinch and a panic, I saw three good places to ditch a corpse in a hurry; a storage shed right by the road only part way to the beach (cutting an extra minute or so off the trip), a large clump of reeds where the road accesses the beach and one could quickly stuff the little body into, and, also at that location, a number of overturned small boats one could temporarily store a body underneath.

    Well, d'uh. Fancy those silly Portuguese people not thinking to look in any of those places - good job a Yankee broad finally came along to show them where they were going wrong.

    Beyond stupid.

    And what on earth is she gibbering about at the end - the McCanns most certainly have NOT 'disqualified' the Smith sighting.

    That one is her worst effort yet, IMO.

    Ringo Starfish ‏ @RingoStarfish Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @ProfilerPatB Question: why wd the #McCann s hastily hide Madeleine's body under a boat on the beach and then immediately call the police?


    Quite.

    Brown really didn't think it through, did she?

    Dies she ever?

    She has no logic. The one thing most required if one wishes to be a Profiler. Mind you, reading The Files might have helped. Although I cannot see what wandering around Praia da Luz at 3 o'clock on a February morning will have done for her cause. Kate and Gerry were surrounded by people at that time. They didn't actually go out until 6 am. But heaven only knows what they could have done with a dead body at that time when the village was beginning to stir.

    Absolutely nothing to be gained from anything this dreadful woman has to say. Except to add to the total incompetence of The PJ.

    Have you ever read as much crap in your life, honestly I think she's nuts. That's the last time I read anything belonging to her as it's only fit for the bin.

    I spent from 3 am to 5 am wandering about Praia da Luz and never ran into anyone.

    It's a bugger trying to find a bar open in February.



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    Post  WM3 on Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:53 pm

    It would never, ever have occurred to these guys to look under a boat, would it?

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    Good job a clever cookie like Brown knows to look under boats, isn't it?

    Oh look, reeds and things:

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    Bet it never occurred to anyone to look in them till a clever cookie like Brown came along.
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    Post  WM3 on Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:10 pm

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    The reason not to wait until morning may well have been to use the Tapas as an alibi; otherwise they would be top suspects.. #Mc


    lol! lol!

    But hasn't she just accused assorted people of NOT having alibis, lying, etc?

    As well as accusing the Portuguese police of being TOO STUPID TO LOOK UNDER BOATS, IN OLD BUILDINGS AND IN REEDS?

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    Post  WM3 on Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:14 pm

    Is she away with the fairies?

    If there was no one out searching, these locations are dead quiet and no one is around; I can testify to since I spent from 3 am to 5 am wandering about Praia da Luz and never ran into anyone.

    The villagers, the holidaymakers were all out looking for Madeleine throughout the night of the 3rd May and for days after... of course it is bloody quiet at that time in the morning, and so would it be in my street, unless we were all out looking for a missing child.... Pat Brown the voice of insanity... bloody woman is stupid. How can you walk the streets at 3-5 am in the middle of the night and even attempt to compare what it would be like in the early hours of the 4th May.

    And again she is walking around PDL in FEBRUARY and NOT MAY, when the McCanns were there.

    Hiding a body under a boat... wouldn't people be looking under boats, in areas like reeds, boats, on the beach. Wouldn't people be searching all buildings in and around PDL that a little girl could have accessed and maybe fallen asleep?

    And Butler out walks the lot of them she covers roughly 15 miles in an hour

    And when did she find all these hiding places, when it was dark or when she was strolling around (from bar to bar) during daytime?

    She's forgetting Gerry was back at the table around 21:25 according to witness statements and was acting normal. But then this fool thinks that everybody would lie to cover up for someone they hardly knew. May be that's because she would probably do it?

    And why is Brown claiming that the McCanns are not interested in the Smith 'sighting'? I suggest she does some homework, for once, and read Kate's book.

    Neither does she seem to be aware that the Smiths did not come forward for some time, which makes her latest effort even more laughable...

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    I assume she has read it? The Smiths seem more determined to insist that the man they saw wasn't their friend Robert Murat than anything else.

    And whilst both sightings are very similar, she dismisses the one and promotes the other. Without any other reason than that SHE thinks, or even wants the parents to be involved.
    Why?

    because she is a hater and has no other theory whatsoever.

    Because she can't make money if the parents are not involved, plus she's a vindictive cow,


    Isn't that the truth?..Plus she's not a very smart one is she?


    And, she cannot afford to be wrong yet again. She has had egg all over her face with the Beltway Sniper and the WM3, let alone umpteen other cases where she pontificated and fell flat on her face in the midden. This is her chance to walk upon the International Stage and get her name up in lights. Unfortunately for her, her 'talent' is about half of that of a defunct midge and, with due respect to our Atlantic cousins, Brits don't like to be lectured to by what I have seen described as 'wrong side of the tracks trailer trash.' They also don't like anyone, wherever they are from, trying to do a 'high and mighty' routine just to make some ready dosh. She would be far better off back home where she can open that Blackwall Tunnel of a mouth and grate out her 'version' of USA cases on blogradio. As you can see, I don't like the old fraud!


    Sticking something on the internet and calling it a high-falutin' name doesn't make it genuine, especially when you keep rewriting it, does it?

    I am genuinely stunned by the crap Awesome Brown has churned out.

    She can't think very much of the Portuguese police if she thinks they didn't do all of this, very soon after Madeleine went missing.

    Mind you, she clearly hasn't even bothered to read the police files, so it serves her right that she has made a complete fool of herself yet again.

    She appears to think that all Police Forces are useless, Bonny. Only Pat Brown is able to spot The Truth. Apart from a now obviously corrupt Ex PJ Officer.

    Tough Shit. It isn't working. The type of people that she attracts are less than worth paying attention to, but no doubt she will go on churning it out for as long as they are prepared to pay for her sheit. And hopefully, she isn't claiming Benefits.

    Yesterday had to be her worst, or rather, her best.

    "Oh look! Boats! Oh look! Reeds! Oh look! Lovely drains! Bet no-one thought of looking in there!"

    Not to mention the huge discrepancy in walking speeds between CSIs Patsy and Pete....

    If she was a REAL profiler, yesterday's insult to the intelligence, and Portugal, would have got her sacked.


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    Post  coco on Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:42 pm

    best thing she could do is crawl back under whatever rock in whatever trailer park she crawled out of , womans an oxygen theif
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    Post  WM3 on Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:51 pm

    Pat Brown said...

    Johanna, I did see the drain and I have a lovely picture of it but I am not sure I am satisfied with the location but it certainly cannot be eliminated as a possible hiding place.

    February 27, 2012 9:40 PM
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    Oh, Johanna, what also bothered me was the need for continued walk through a public area after running into the Smiths. The public access to the beach just to the east of the Smith sighting is far safer to prevent being seen again and has enough places for quick hiding of a body. Remember, at that point in time, if it was Gerry with a body, he would be seriously panicked having just been seen and he would likely not be worrying about finding the perfect place to conceal a body but just a place to get it out of sight for the moment and run back to the restaurant.

    February 27, 2012 9:48 PM


    She is SUCH an idiot.

    How on earth does she imagine that a 'quick hiding of a body' would do when half of PDL was out looking that night? How does she imagine he accomplished this, walked there and back, all in under 5 minutes?

    This is why self-taught profilers should stay the feck away from crime scenes. they are an embarassment to themselves and others.
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    Post  WM3 on Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:29 pm

    Thanks to B and T for this:

    Some lovely pictures for Brown:

    Intimating the Portuguese Law Enforcement haven't got a clue on how to do a search in their own area, is a huge insult

    Quite - what does she think these guys were doing?

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    Waiting for a clever cookie like her to come along and tell them to look under boats?

    If I was one of the police officers, and others, who took part in the ground searches, I would be rather annoyed at Ms Brown today.

    It's the arrogance of it - as if they were all too stupid to look under boats, etc, and no-one had bothered until she swanned in and told them what they had done wrong.

    Her 'work' is so bad it actually isn't worth bothering about. She's a bad joke. It doesn't matter what her fans think, nothing is ever going to change them, and there are only a handful of forkers left anyway.

    She didn't get a single line in the Portuguese press - just a short piece tacked onto a genuine story in the Resident, and that libel-filled puff piece in that ex-pat free sheet.

    I suspect Patsy was the forkers last hope of their propaganda getting into the mainstream media, but she made such a hash of everything, no-one is going to listen to her.

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