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    FOR F**KS SAKE, WHO DUG HER UP AGAIN?

    Post  Sykes on Fri Jun 13, 2014 2:43 pm

    Pat Brown said...
    Iin a just world, this case would have been concluded in three days and Amaral would have walked away victorious. Where there is even libel is the question. The fact that the McCanns have the right to testify to the damage done already seems to presume that what Amaral did was libelous and wrong. This worries me. This was a simple case and yet it has turned into a nightmare (and people can tell me that the court system in Portugal must work this way, but like all court systems in the world they benefit lawyers more than justice). I think there is a great chance it is going to come out in the McCanns' favor because it will be considered wrong, that without absolute proof that the McCanns were guilty, Amaral wrote his theories which then damaged two possibly very innocent people and the search for their child. It all depends how you spin the facts and if the spin goes that way, Goncalo is screwed.
     Pat Brown said...
    I think the court case involves this issue: just because you believe something to be true is not protection against libel. I was very careful to say in my book that I was only purporting a theory based on evidence. And from there it gets very tricky. For example, if someone says that Pat Brown is a drug addict, this is straight up libel because there is zero evidence I touch drugs. If they say they believe I am a drug addict, this can also be to an extent libelous because they are stating something to the public based on no evidence which might have damaged me greatly. If they say, I am a fraud, this is libelous because they have to prove this is so. But, let's say they say think I am an idiot or I can't profile to say my life, now we go into the realm of opinion and that is not libel. So, the question will be, did Goncalo libel the McCanns when he said he believed they were responsible for their daughter's death and disappearance? His belief IS based on evidence but if that evidence is considered faulty, his belief may not save him. Hence, the Scotland Yard faux investigation and search can clearly impact the court proceedings.

    And here comes Hutton, spouting anti-Bushmeat garbage:
    Cristobell Today at 12:48 pm
    I hate to say it, but I think Pat Brown has completely lost the plot and I sometimes wonder if she has any faith in her own theories.

    She is treating the case as if it were still an unsolved mystery. Those of us who KNOW right through to our innards that there was no abductor, do not regard this case as a mystery, and imo, that includes the police forces of Portugal and the UK.

    If Pat understood the complexity of this case, she would understand that the two police forces have not spent this past 3 years plus looking for a random abductor, they have been building a case. Clearly the McCanns are not solely responsible for everything that has happened since May 2007, they had help. Its not simply a case of arresting the parents and taking their chances in Court. If they can't make the charges stick, then the £10+ will indeed have been wasted.

    Pat must be aware of the Jonbenet Ramsey case in the US. The police in Boulder, Colorado, were in exactly the same position as SY and the PJ. Although they had the body, the evidence had been contaminated and they knew they did not have enough to get a conviction. Unfortunately, that happens the world over and it must be infuriating for police to watch 'villains' walk, again and again, but such is the justice system, a case must be proved.

    As we know the Ramseys never faced justice. However, this case differs. Both Portugal and the UK are currently running live investigations, both of which much reach conclusions. SY declaring the McCanns innocent would be meaningless, the PJ have primacy.

    The men and women of SY and the PJ were shown on the world media actively digging and searching wasteland. Hard, manual, physical work and probably not very pleasant in the summer heat. They weren't doing that to appease two Leicestershire doctors, they were searching for the body of a 3 year old child.  


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    Re: FOR F**KS SAKE, WHO DUG HER UP AGAIN?

    Post  coco on Fri Jun 13, 2014 8:45 pm

    always good when mad people start slagging each other off  lol! 
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    Post  Sykes on Sun Jun 15, 2014 9:01 am

    From another forum with thanks also for the comments.

    Bushmeat Brown continues to dig herself an ever-deeper hole. This is funny, though:

    The second issue is that any of us has any power to affect what is going on in this case. Gonçalo couldn't do it, I couldn't do it, Bennett couldn't do it, and we have had the largest platforms on this case above anyone else. Maybe early on if such a strong, unknown support of the McCanns hadn't taken root, we all could have had more influence.

    Has it never occurred to any of them that the reason they have so little support is that they are preaching hatred and lies? That there IS no 'unknown support', just people like the Yard who know far more about the matter than the likes of them, with their bigotry, their sloppy, pretendy 'research' and conspiraloonacy could ever grasp?

    And how is that for deluded egotism? 'Largest platforms'? Lady, none of you could even fill a budgie swing.



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    Post  Sykes on Wed Jul 02, 2014 11:51 am

    Sez Brown:

    Outside of Amaral (who he has not interviewed), I am the biggest professional voice on the case.

    Such delusions of grandeur!  

    She is definitely a suitable case for treatment.

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    Post  Sykes on Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:34 pm

    Jayelles » Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:10 pm
    Oh she did comment. Her comment was buried in the comments section of one of her earlier blog articles!

    Pat Brown said...
    Let me address a few things here in response:

    1. I do not think the McCanns' response to the court delay was uncalled for. I would have been pissed as hell as well. It is one reason I despise the court system; the tactics permitted should not be. Cases dragging on for years, draining the bank accounts of either plaintiffs or defendants (while enriching the lawyers) as a method to force one side to give in, is wrong and is one reason I believe neither the civil court systems of the world (at least those that allow these kinds of tactics) are not truly about justice.

    2. The McCanns obviously likely also used unpleasant tactics via their attorney so I am not saying that Amaral doing so in return is unjustified. Civil cases turn into dirty game playing instead of simply seeking proper settlement.

    3. Is this a good tactic by Goncalo if he truly is not having a problem with his attorney or couldn't have informed the court earlier before the McCanns arrived in Portugal? I don't know. IF you believe the McCanns are innocent, I think it makes their case stronger, that this renegade ex-cop is doing all he can to make their lives miserable and suck away their energy simply because he thinks they are guilty (when at this point, Scotland Yard is "proving" he is not justified in thinking do nor should he ever have come to such conclusions from the evidence and the PJ isn't exactly supporting his belief of guilt either).

    So, I don't know how the judge will view this because I am not privy to the entire court case nor have I been in the courtroom to see how this is playing out. In the end, I feel it is not unlikely the judge will actually view Goncalo as overzealous in his "vendetta" against the McCanns (especially if she views them as innocent) and find for the McCanns (perhaps with a reduced monetary amount to even out the damage).

    June 16, 2014 at 10:12 AM
    Also says this. Now what "evidence" that the public don't know about against the Mccanns is she referring to? Is this Gonc's Ace that he is going to produce...at ehm...some point...

    Anon 12:48

    I personally disagree. IF I were innocent of any wrongdoing in what happened to my child, I might well want to sue Goncalo Amaral for his aggressive campaign to claim my guilt and deter the public from supporting any public or private investigation into the disappearance of my child that did not include me.

    NONE of us has been in that kind of situation, so we cannot that we would only focus on the search for our child and squelch our anger and rage at a renegade detective trashing us in the media and on the bookstands. Myself, I get what the McCanns are doing, be they innocent or guilty. In fact, I think this aspect of their behavior, rage against Amaral is actually one piece of behavioral evidence that ways in FAVOR of their innocence because normally people who do in their kids pretend that they can forgive and forget everyone's anger or suspicion. On the other hand, innocent parents are more likely to admit their failure as parents (leaving unattended children) while psychopathic parents (or narcissistic ones) will argue this.

    So, I expect the McCanns behavior over leaving their children understandable if guilty (also if only guilty of neglect) but their rage at Amaral and their insistence on getting Scotland Yard involved are behaviors more indicative of innocence as is not dropping the matter and going quietly into the night.

    So if there wasn't so much other evidence that points to the McCanns, physical and behavioral, and there wasn't an extremely bizarre intersection with politics, high powered lawyers, and the fund, I might well think the McCanns were neglectful parents, but not guilty of more.

    And, if I think this and the only thing that dissuades me is the much more evidence that the public has never read, I would grant many feel great sympathy for the McCanns at the delay of the trial and totally empathize with their tirade against Amaral.

    Hence, unless there is some clever, clever strategy going on here, I think it was a bad move for Amaral.

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    Re: FOR F**KS SAKE, WHO DUG HER UP AGAIN?

    Post  Sykes on Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:55 pm


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    I have removed your link to the Blacksmith blog post. Please do not post anything of his here again. I do not mind opposing positions but Blacksmith has recently taken to writing extremely derogatory statements about me and others who have worked hard to keep the truth about the McCann case available to the public.

    Such a sensitive, delicate flower! Can this be the same person that dreamed up the revolting Bushmeat Theory? That went on a Ghoul Tour of the Algarve with Dirtymac, and was disappointed that she and her fellow-ghoul didn't find a missing child's remains in the course of their gravedigging activities?

    Surely not, this one is so precious and special!


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    Post  Sykes on Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:42 pm

    McCann Media - Journalism Gone Wild or Scotland Yard Orchestration?

    Gerry and Jez Didn't See Them Either
    When I have written posts about my concerns about what Scotland Yard is doing in the Madeleine McCann case, I have gotten quite a few comments that I am falling for media falsehoods and that I don't really know what Scotland Yard is up to, what their agenda is, and who and what they are really investigating. I would like to address this issue as it is the key to why I do not believe the Scotland Yard investigation is on the up-and-up and why I do not see any evidence of the McCanns being included as an investigative avenue.

    Sure, there are lots of erroneous and tabloid-trash reports in the media all of which can be taken with a grain of salt. However, there are three glaring media stories which have everything to do with Scotland Yard wanting them to be public: one, Crimewatch. two, the recent searches, and three, the suspects.


    Let's start with Crimewatch. This was not a journalist's take on what happened. This was a piece of media designed and delivered by Scotland Yard to a good portion of Europe.It was a propaganda piece with the intent of planting the abduction theory solidly in the minds of the public. Research done, the second part of the plan is action; developing, in stages,what happened to Madeleine, so that by the time a theory is concluded upon by Scotland Yard and disseminated to the public (thereby administratively closing the case; there is never going to be a criminal case), the public will already have the scenario in their brains as they have been fed, scene by scene, what happened on May 3, 2007.

    First, we have the Scotland Yard approved crime reconstruction. The public got to see, in living color, what happened that night at the Tapas, at the McCann vacation flat, and on the streets of Praia da Luz. This scenario is not one made by an independent media outlet or by the McCanns or by some individual like Gonçalo Amaral or Pat Brown, but by Scotland Yard....Scotland Yard with its professional crime analysts and two years worth of researching all the facts of the case. This is a powerful piece of propaganda. It sets the stage for Scotland Yard's future theory.

    And then we have that illuminating moment! Andy Redwood has eliminated Tannerman! In one stroke, he has proven both Jane Tanner and the McCanns to be truth tellers, and this is very important, for the public must not think there was collusion on the part of the Tapas 9. Also, we can't have two choices of suspects with the abductor going two separate directions. We must have one to carry the scenario forward. So we must have Smithman and this is the crux of how Scotland Yard and Andy Redwood will twist public thinking. Clearly, the Smith sighting is hugely damaging to the McCanns which is why they did everything in their power to hide and downplay it. It is an issue that must be resolved. The only way this can be done is to find a suspect that matches well enough in looks to replace Gerry (and it doesn't have to be all that close - the Smiths aren't going to be brought back into the public eye) - and become Smithman. This suspect has to have some reason to be seen in that area by the Smiths and so he must fit the crime scenario movements. I strongly believe Scotland Yard already had the burglary theory and multiple suspects in mind before they did Crimewatch. Although Andy Redwood then orchestrated another video bit with "Smellyman" as a suspect slipping into vacation flats across the Algarve, I think this was done to allow for the abduction theory to appear well investigated (along with the many other suspects mentioned in the media). The public needs to believe that this is a long and exhaustive investigation so that when a conclusion is reached, it doesn't appear to be something just tossed out to get it over with.

    Finally, with the shout-out to the public for tips - how the public loves to be included and respected when it comes to solving crime - Scotland Yard can always also claim they got new information via Crimewatch that supports their theory, the source of which cannot be released.

    So, the first piece of Scotland Yard media has been accomplished. Now, the second piece. The massive search of Praia da Luz. The media did not make this up or misconstrue it. The search was painstaking and thorough, orchestrated entirely by Scotland Yard....and totally ridiculous if one is following the evidence. But, if one is developing a scenario, it makes sense. As soon as the first search began, I stated I believed the location was selected because it was someplace a suspect frequented or near where he lived or worked. Sure enough, this was what was behind the locations. Since none of any of the present suspects have any true links to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, why would any police agency spend a fortune searching land before anything solid had been established as to the suspects committing the crime? Because it establishes that Maddie is dead (because they proved that by searching with cadaver dogs) and that someone who is Smithman (but not Gerry) carried her body across that land and did something with her remains. That someone is someone who lives in or near Praia da Luz, that someone is a local criminal. They also may have done this so that they could say Maddie's body was not buried (at least not permanently), that it was put aboard a boat and taken out to sea. So, we have a local conspiracy, but not one of the Tapas 9.

    Enter the next major media exposure....the suspects, the whole motley bunch of them. Suspects nobody really likes, suspects people can believe could have done something criminal and stupid. They are questioned and the cadaver dogs are even brought (unsuccessfully) to Malinka's old vehicle. Once this final phase of the media propaganda is rolled out, it doesn't really matter if anything is proven or even clearly pronounced by Scotland Yard and Andy Redwood. The show has already come to an end. The four suspects don't have to really admit anything...it can always be alluded to that one of them gave relevant information that has led to understanding what happened to Maddie that night and where her body was put (my guess will be at sea...can't be found). Or, nothing much more may be said about his group, Tractorman, Smellyman....whoever.....because when Scotland Yard says they have done all they can, that they have run down all investigative leads, and they have a pretty good idea what has happened which they have told the parents, they do not even need to elaborate (they might well give a full final scenario, but they may forgo that). They don't need to "prove" anything or even give absolutes because of this:

    I have already myself envisioned how this group of men did something to Maddie that night. I can see them planning their robberies, one or two of them entering the flat and Maddie screaming. I can see one of them putting his hand over her mouth and realizing that he held it there to long. I can see the man carrying Maddie away, past the Smith family to one of the other burglar's houses, lying her on the sofa. I can see the men discussing what to do, phoning each other, setting up a couple of look-outs and spiriting Maddie's body away, to bury or to dump at sea. Alternatively, I can see smelly man doing something to Maddie. I can see both these scenarios in my head in spite of the facts of the case, in spite of the fact I have read the police files and been to Praia da Luz to investigate, in spite of the fact I wrote a book detailing a scenario involving the McCanns, and despite the fact I believe Maddie was buried west of Praia da Luz by Gerry.

    And if I can imagine an stranger scenario like this so easily, how much easier will it be for people not so familiar with the case to conjure up that picture in their minds? Add to this the future media commentary, and you have a home run. Like watching a crime series, week by week the scenario has been built up in living color and at the end of the season, the story will have an ending, and ending that is fitting to all the chapters of the story that have led to the conclusion. I don't know if we are seeing the very end of the "investigation" or we will see a bit more leads followed before it all dwindles down to silence, but I believe it will end with the libel trial.

    Scotland Yard has been playing the media, not the other way around. That many of the detectives are only dutifully carrying out their assignments and may even believe they are doing a proper investigation does not mean those running the show aren't in the know; Andy Redwood knows full well what he is doing and what he is doing is what he has been told to do. Come the fall, I think we are going to see the end of the show, there will be a solid round of applause from the McCanns and the media, Summers new book will come out and Kate and Gerry will finally move on with life, probably in a way which will make us here physically ill.

    The media has always been at the beck and call of the powerful. At times, it gets away from them, but, most of the time, it serves their purposes quite well.

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    Re: FOR F**KS SAKE, WHO DUG HER UP AGAIN?

    Post  coco on Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:34 pm

    anyone know what she's on about  confused 
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    Post  Sykes on Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:13 pm

    coco wrote:anyone know what she's on about  confused 
    Come on, coco, she doesn;t know what the hell she's gibbering, so how are the rest of us expected to know? After all, we are normal sane people.


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