DAVID BRET, HIDEHO AND OTHERS .... THE WORST HATER TROLLS


    NO JUSTICE ON THE JUSTICE FORUM - NOR WILL THERE EVER BE Part 6

    Share
    avatar
    Sykes

    Posts : 6813
    Join date : 2011-07-17

    NO JUSTICE ON THE JUSTICE FORUM - NOR WILL THERE EVER BE Part 6

    Post  Sykes on Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:15 pm

    Okay, more for you to invade! Sykes


    _________________
    Truth is the Daughter of Time
    avatar
    Sykes

    Posts : 6813
    Join date : 2011-07-17

    Re: NO JUSTICE ON THE JUSTICE FORUM - NOR WILL THERE EVER BE Part 6

    Post  Sykes on Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:07 pm

    From anotgher forum with thanks also for the comments.
    Quote from: Estuarine on Today at 09:50:27 AM
    My experience of technical and scientific disciplines is that they have a “property” which imposes a requirement to have at least an elementary knowledge in order that one may frame an intelligent question or make an informed comment on the subject. This property caused me many years ago to coin the phrase “He doesn’t know enough to be able to ask the right questions”. I would suggest more than a few posters on this thread yourself included drop neatly into that slot. Bluff, bluster, pseudo-scientific terms and eloquent prose notwithstanding it is for the most part as pie crust; that is lacking in substance.

    Ahh....it was that one who came up with that original thought, was it? Then on top, "coined the phrase".

    Odd, as I seem to remember someone else who previously expressed a similar point of view, oh yes, I think it was THIS guy.



    _________________
    Truth is the Daughter of Time

    Broho

    Posts : 798
    Join date : 2013-08-15

    Re: NO JUSTICE ON THE JUSTICE FORUM - NOR WILL THERE EVER BE Part 6

    Post  Broho on Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:18 pm

    Love it. What a load of arrogant bollox.  lol! lol! lol! 
    avatar
    coco

    Posts : 1276
    Join date : 2011-07-17

    Re: NO JUSTICE ON THE JUSTICE FORUM - NOR WILL THERE EVER BE Part 6

    Post  coco on Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:59 pm

    wouldn't they be better retitling their dog thread , something like

    ARE WUMS WHO PRETEND TO KNOW DOG HANDLERS RELIABLE?

     lol! lol! 

    Broho

    Posts : 798
    Join date : 2013-08-15

    Re: NO JUSTICE ON THE JUSTICE FORUM - NOR WILL THERE EVER BE Part 6

    Post  Broho on Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:27 pm

    Woof!  lol! lol! lol! 
    avatar
    coco

    Posts : 1276
    Join date : 2011-07-17

    Re: NO JUSTICE ON THE JUSTICE FORUM - NOR WILL THERE EVER BE Part 6

    Post  coco on Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:28 pm

    someone's had a go at admin about this nonsense from the wum-

    So what evidence do you have for these claims which fly in the face of the official police report which I posted? Can you offer the slightest credible reason why somebody employed by the police to do a task would not then actually complete that task as police officer. It just does not make sense that he did the job, then retired, and then presumably out of the goodness of his heart, cobbled together a report on his typewriter at home to send to the PJ without any reference to the people you claim he was working for in that report. It completely beggars belief and without some kind of evidence I simply do not believe it. Problem is you can't provide us with any evidence can you? All you can do is tell us to believe a mysterious individual whose posts you whoosh when she gets something so badly wrong it cannot be left on the forum.

    Please do not tell us that you are still standing by your "real deal"?

    If this forum is simply relying on private information from people who we are simply told to believe by you then I am afraid that there is little point in posting or discussing anything.

    First one expert disappears (Anne Guedes) and when I post a polite request for her to offer some explanations as to what is going on in PDL it is simply removed, presumably by you.

    Then your real deal goes on sick leave with a migraine (they usually last hours not more than 3 days and not weeks by the way) and my post and questions which are based on OFFICIAL POLICE FILES are deemed as SPAM by you because they don't fit what the "real deal" says and you tell us we have to believe what this "real deal" says.

    Sorry, till this is sorted out, I can't be bothered playing the games for my posts based on OFFICIAL POLICE FILES to be whooshed or for polite threads I attempt to start to be blocked because they might upset a favoured poster.

    When I joined here it was made clear that claims should be backed up by evidence. I have done that. You have failed to do that. You simply tell us what we have to believe.

    It would be real progress for you to get back to allowing debate here without reliance on favoured posters whose credentials only you know.

    And your constant hints that Martin Grime will be posting here at some unspecified point in the future is the icing on the cake. Perhaps so will Goncalo Amaral and Fr. Pacheco and David Payne? Why would Martin Grime post on a forum? What kind of possible sense would that ever make?

    I hear that Murat and Amaral posted on other forums in the past. LOL.

    When I came here I really thought that there might be an opportunity for proper debate and it seemed possible for some time but then something has changed.

    If you wish to ban me then do so. It won't help with the credibility of the forum though.

    Broho

    Posts : 798
    Join date : 2013-08-15

    Re: NO JUSTICE ON THE JUSTICE FORUM - NOR WILL THERE EVER BE Part 6

    Post  Broho on Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:15 am

    Do you think it will go down well there?
    avatar
    coco

    Posts : 1276
    Join date : 2011-07-17

    Re: NO JUSTICE ON THE JUSTICE FORUM - NOR WILL THERE EVER BE Part 6

    Post  coco on Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:01 am

    amazing , its not been censored yet .
    avatar
    Sykes

    Posts : 6813
    Join date : 2011-07-17

    Re: NO JUSTICE ON THE JUSTICE FORUM - NOR WILL THERE EVER BE Part 6

    Post  Sykes on Thu Apr 10, 2014 7:14 am

    Re: The changing witness statements for the day that Madeleine disappeared.

    Quote from: gilet on Today at 02:27:10 AM

    If you cannot see that there is a difference between my accurate statement that there is a reliability issue with the PJ Files and a conspiracy theory then that is your problem not mine.

    If you choose to place your faith in files for which the only source is a WUM called Levy then that is your problem not mine.

    If you choose to ignore the fact that there is no original scan available of the Tapas Rogatory Statements on which you base your questions about inconsistencies then that is your problem not mine.

    If you choose to ignore the fact that unlike all the other PJ Files these Tapas Rogatory statements have no official PJ page referencing then that is your problem not mine.

    If you choose to ignore the fact that the Tapas Rogatory Statements were not released by Levy when he released ALL the other information but deliberately delayed by him for unknown reasons then that is your problem not mine.

    I know that there is a potential serious flaw in them.

    I have not claimed that there is definitely such a flaw but till I am sure it does not exist, then I am very wary of the content being precisely as recorded by Leicestershire Police.  You carry on with your faith in a WUM as long as you like. Its no skin off my nose.


    icabodcrane
    Executive Member

    You are funny gilet

    You put such effort into presenting your posts in a suitably  serious  way  ...  when what you are actually  saying  is a load of old conspiraloon nonsense


    _________________
    Truth is the Daughter of Time
    avatar
    Sykes

    Posts : 6813
    Join date : 2011-07-17

    GILET ON WUM-BASED PJ FILES

    Post  Sykes on Thu Apr 10, 2014 12:08 pm

    Gilet on the PJ files:
    If you cannot see that there is a difference between my accurate statement that there is a reliability issue with the PJ Files and a conspiracy theory then that is your problem not mine.

    If you choose to place your faith in files for which the only source is a WUM called Levy then that is your problem not mine.

    If you choose to ignore the fact that there is no original scan available of the Tapas Rogatory Statements on which you base your questions about inconsistencies then that is your problem not mine.

    If you choose to ignore the fact that unlike all the other PJ Files these Tapas Rogatory statements have no official PJ page referencing then that is your problem not mine.

    If you choose to ignore the fact that the Tapas Rogatory Statements were not released by Levy when he released ALL the other information but deliberately delayed by him for unknown reasons then that is your problem not mine.

    I know that there is a potential serious flaw in them.


    _________________
    Truth is the Daughter of Time
    avatar
    coco

    Posts : 1276
    Join date : 2011-07-17

    Re: NO JUSTICE ON THE JUSTICE FORUM - NOR WILL THERE EVER BE Part 6

    Post  coco on Thu Apr 10, 2014 1:12 pm

    injustice haters dont seem to like hearing the truth .
    avatar
    coco

    Posts : 1276
    Join date : 2011-07-17

    Re: NO JUSTICE ON THE JUSTICE FORUM - NOR WILL THERE EVER BE Part 6

    Post  coco on Thu Apr 10, 2014 7:23 pm

    Quote from: Estuarine on Today at 06:55:47 PM
    I have been running a sweep with a few friends about you. Only you can answer the question.
    Were you born an arrogant prat or have you become like it by endless practice.


    hater must be one of the speshul ones .
    avatar
    Sykes

    Posts : 6813
    Join date : 2011-07-17

    Re: NO JUSTICE ON THE JUSTICE FORUM - NOR WILL THERE EVER BE Part 6

    Post  Sykes on Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:04 pm

    Quote from: Cariad on Today at 09:07:47 AM
    That's part of what I don't get. Why is this coming out now? Is this something that is well known and I've just been unaware, or has it passed everyone by?


    Gilet:  This has been known by me since 2008. I cannot comment on the knowledge of others. It has always surprised me that people take no notice of the fact that these files were never officially released to the public in general. Indeed I notice that the Pamalam Blog states that they were released in that way. It is not true. They were released to journalists only for purposes of researching the case.

    My initial reaction to Levy came from the fact that he appeared from nowhere shortly after the disappearance of Madeleine. He was only on a couple of occasions credited in the MSM as a journalist (in bylines where he assisted the main writer of articles). His dominant presence was through a series of blogs which he ran called Enfants Kidnappes, SOS Madeleine, http://duartelevypt.wordpress.com/, etc. He ran at least six or seven blogs in Portuguese, French and English about missing children and paedophilia in the main part. Some of these still remain but others have vanished over the years.

    To me he never seemed to be a serious journalist but someone who commented on the journalism of others and who blogged about cases. In that respect he was very similar to Joana Morais who he had a personal liaison with at the height of the case.

    After that close encounter with the man she declared him to be "nothing more than a con man, a swindler and a dangerous pathological liar"

    http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/06/exposing-swindler-truth-about.html

    Levy was seen at events with Amaral on a number of occasions and described by others who were present as close to Amaral. At no point could he ever be described as an independent journalist reporting on this case. His bias was always to Amaral and against the McCanns.

    Whether that bias was behind his illegal release of the files I have no idea, but it is a distinct possibility and I believe it should be taken into account when looking at anything written or released by the man.

    He was a sensationalist too. I realise that we are not supposed to use blog material but as we are discussing Levy and this is from his own blog, Enfants Kidnappes, then it may be permitted (mods, please remove if you feel the need to do so).

    This came from the Enfants Kidnappes blog of Levy in mid November 2008. It is no longer available there but was repeated on a range of sites including Havern's blog, Websleuths and McCann Files where it remains today.


    From McCann Files - 17th November http://www.mccannfiles.com/id182.html

    Quote
    Anomalies in the case file on DVD

    For some time, a small part of the complete case file (5,000 out of 30,000 pages!!!) has been accessible to the public. We have published some it it here, noting that it is necessary to be careful in publishing its contents. In fact, this DVD is not complete and only represents around 17% of the total. Our association, like probably all the other professionals in the field of police work, detected anomalies in the case file. In fact, some documents appeared doubtful, seen as suspicious. Some signatures, annotations, drew our attention. We addressed them to whom it may concern to take the information back to Portugal. Following that, and even though we had been aware for several weeks, the journalist Duarte Levy, in statements, yesterday on Portuguese television, revealed that there were documents in the case file which had been tampered with and manipulated. It is there, neither more nor less than errors in writing. No comment. So, be careful what you read on various forums.

    Death threats!

    At the start of the broadcast in which the journalist we spoke about above, Duarte Levy, was participating, the director of the Portuguese television channel informed the viewers that Mr Levy had just, at that moment, received death threats on his mobile phone following his latest revelations. These threats are being taken seriously. According to our information, the journalist received two different calls. One from Portugal and the other from the UK, both threatening to kill him! If the revelations made by SOS Madeleine are false, and as a result the parents have nothing to hide, why threaten to kill people? Why does the McCann clan brandish, at the slightest opportunity, a threatening finger towards anyone who would not say the same things as them? Why try to silence the press?
    Gilet:  It is not so odd that the man who released the files to the public fails to mention that fact, after all it was probably an illegal act. But it is odd that he tries to claim that the files as released by the Portuguese Authorities had been tampered with. Double bluff, maybe?

    Cariad: If those documents aren't accurate, why haven't the Mccanns commented on that?

    Gilet: I would suggest the answer to that is quite simple. They would be drawing attention to these (probably illegally posted files) if they commented on them. What would any comment by them achieve other than drawing that extra attention? They cannot prove they are inaccurate as they would have to defy the release rules and post the version they have. The complexity of removing everything they received which journalists did not receive and then defying the rules under which they received their copy would make it a mad exercise.

    An additional point I would make as to why they have not attempted to have them removed. I don't actually know why but the suggestion of a previous poster does make some sense. The McCanns made an initial attempt to take down material which they owned with a cease and desist letter. I think they found that the law does not make such actions easy. Indeed the protection of copyright online is nigh on impossible to achieve in any context. On top of the fact that in the case, the McCanns would have the added problem in that they do not own the files and have no copyright law to assist them. Portuguese authorities would also find it nigh on impossible to restrict online publication in other domains. And as soon as one site was prevented from hosting them, another would appear.

    Cariad: Would altering police statements then reproducing them be a crime?

    Giket: Not being a lawyer and more particularly not being a Portuguese lawyer I could not answer that definitively but it would seem likely. Even reproducing them wholesale without alteration may well be a crime in Portugal. It certainly goes against the spirit in which they were released to journalists.

    Cariad: Are the originals still available for journalists to get copies of?

    Gilet: I don't know for certain. But I would suspect not. The case has been reopened and therefore there is possibly no access for anyone other than those involved in the current investigation at the moment. There is a chance that the re-opened case is not listed as the same case as the original one and therefore the files are available but I don't know the intricacies of Portuguese law well enough to comment on that.

    Cariad: Obviously I take everything Gilet says with a pinch of salt after the uniform incident, but the idea that everything I've based my knowledge on may be flawed is making me uncomfortable. Is that what this is designed to do or is there possibly an element of truth to it?

    Gilet: Interesting turn of phrase, "uniform incident". I posted a comment from a professional handler. Our interpretation of the meaning of that comment differed. To me that is a difference of opinion. To you, an incident. Mmm...

    If you doubt my word about Levy, read Joana Morais about him. You may or may not be more comfortable trusting her.

    If you doubt my word about Levy and the documents, do some research, and ask yourself some questions.

    Here are a few questions that I might suggest.

    Why has no other journalist or source has ever produced copies of these files for the public to read?

    Why do they only exist on blogs run by anti-McCanns and not on any official site or MSM site?

    Would you trust a friend of Gerry McCann if he had posted the files online? (Levy was (and maybe still is) a friend of Amaral back in 2008.)

    How did Levy choose the people he delivered the copies of the original DVD to?

    Why did he deliberately delay the second batch of information he released till the very time when the McCanns at the end of November 2008 were meeting Isabel Duarte to start proceedings to sue Amaral? What prevented the Tapas Rogatories from being released back in the middle of the year when he handed over the original DVD to various people?

    Who is Levy? He still does not appear to be a real journalist. His "work" seems to be commenting on journalism on his FB page and on blogs.  


    _________________
    Truth is the Daughter of Time
    avatar
    coco

    Posts : 1276
    Join date : 2011-07-17

    Re: NO JUSTICE ON THE JUSTICE FORUM - NOR WILL THERE EVER BE Part 6

    Post  coco on Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:20 pm

    they're bound to delete that , its not what they want to hear . they're mad , anyway , seen the latest from admin ?

    This is probably slightly off topic as Serendipity has never claimed to be an expert. He/she is a very well informed person whose credentials I have established as genuine. I spoke to them again today and was given lots of new information which I would love to share but cannot at this time for legal reasons. I am hopeful that Mr Grime will be able to post once the Madeleine investigation is wrapped up

    FFS , who is going to believe that tosh cept the forkers ? I,m hopeful I will be able to win the lottery tomorrow , and there's more possibility of that than Grime posting on a backwater forum .  lol! 

    and we've all seen the sort of info serenympho aka Miss Whiplash likes sharing  lol! lol! lol! 
    avatar
    Sykes

    Posts : 6813
    Join date : 2011-07-17

    Re: NO JUSTICE ON THE JUSTICE FORUM - NOR WILL THERE EVER BE Part 6

    Post  Sykes on Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:27 pm

    coco wrote:they're bound to delete that , its not what they want to hear . they're mad , anyway , seen the latest from admin ?

    This is probably slightly off topic as Serendipity has never claimed to be an expert.  He/she is a very well informed person whose credentials I have established as genuine.  I spoke to them again today and was given lots of new information which I would love to share but cannot at this time for legal reasons.   I am hopeful that Mr Grime will be able to post once the Madeleine investigation is wrapped up

    FFS , who is going to believe that tosh cept the forkers ? I,m hopeful I will be able to win the lottery tomorrow , and there's more possibility of that than Grime posting on a backwater forum .  lol! 

    and we've all seen the sort of info serenympho aka Miss Whiplash  likes sharing  lol! lol! lol! 
    Oh dear, he obviously hasn't read Sykes' latest Take or the informatuion on Myths re this WUM..


    _________________
    Truth is the Daughter of Time

    Broho

    Posts : 798
    Join date : 2013-08-15

    Re: NO JUSTICE ON THE JUSTICE FORUM - NOR WILL THERE EVER BE Part 6

    Post  Broho on Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:31 pm

    Maybe she made him an offer he couldn't refuse.  lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! 
    avatar
    coco

    Posts : 1276
    Join date : 2011-07-17

    Re: NO JUSTICE ON THE JUSTICE FORUM - NOR WILL THERE EVER BE Part 6

    Post  coco on Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:50 pm

    *vomit smiley*  

    he has to be doing this on purpose to keep the forkers there happy , no -one with his background could possibly be so gullible .

    Broho

    Posts : 798
    Join date : 2013-08-15

    Re: NO JUSTICE ON THE JUSTICE FORUM - NOR WILL THERE EVER BE Part 6

    Post  Broho on Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:59 pm

    That's the only suggestion that makes sense.
    avatar
    coco

    Posts : 1276
    Join date : 2011-07-17

    Re: NO JUSTICE ON THE JUSTICE FORUM - NOR WILL THERE EVER BE Part 6

    Post  coco on Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:16 pm

    Quote from: icabodcrane on Today at 09:12:57 PM
    Why are you following  your posts with rows of laughing   emoticons  ?    ...  are you getting our forum confused with another place    ?  

    It adds nothing to the debate and it gives the board a  'simpleton'  feel about it,  I think


    it's acheiving that without any help from smileys these days .  lol!
    avatar
    Sykes

    Posts : 6813
    Join date : 2011-07-17

    Re: NO JUSTICE ON THE JUSTICE FORUM - NOR WILL THERE EVER BE Part 6

    Post  Sykes on Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:25 pm

    Syn0nymph ‏@Syn0nymph 3h
    @alfibab3 @MrBuskom Best to tell you Wendy that PC Whittle will be watching all of her interactions? smile Be aware for your own sake #mccann
    See Serendipity's managing to post legal threats on twitter.

    And more:
    Syn0nymph ‏@Syn0nymph 3h
    @alfibab3 @MrBuskom No thinking about it you fool, it was confirmed by Leicester police. You are friends with an ex jailbird #mccann
     
    So's she, I am given to understand.  Here's mum:  http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/woman-admits-benefit-fraud-2944989



    Last edited by Sykes on Fri Apr 11, 2014 8:25 am; edited 5 times in total


    _________________
    Truth is the Daughter of Time
    avatar
    Sykes

    Posts : 6813
    Join date : 2011-07-17

    Re: NO JUSTICE ON THE JUSTICE FORUM - NOR WILL THERE EVER BE Part 6

    Post  Sykes on Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:39 pm

    gilet
    Executive Member
    ******
    Quote from: John on Today at 08:07:39 PM
    This is probably slightly off topic as Serendipity has never claimed to be an expert. He/she is a very well informed person whose credentials I have established as genuine. I spoke to them again today and was given lots of new information which I would love to share but cannot at this time for legal reasons. I am hopeful that Mr Grime will be able to post once the Madeleine investigation is wrapped up.


    Fascinating. Not. As the kids might say.

    On the one hand we are encouraged to believe that Grime was employed by SYP doing the work in PDL and on the other we are expected to believe that he is going to talk about that work at some point in the future when the case is "wrapped up" on this forum. Personally, I just don't see it ever happening. Can't put my finger on precisely why, but...

    Sorry, I think Grime is as likely to try to defend himself on a forum as the Queen is likely to defend herself on a forum against the claims made that she is a lizard.

    It would be lunacy. It could even be illegal depending on what he says and whether he signed the official secrets act.

    Perhaps he will be able to comment on the report and not the actual work in PDL. This might be possible as we are told that he did the work as a police officer, then retired, then wrote the report as a private individual.

    Mmmm...?

    And we are expected to believe



    _________________
    Truth is the Daughter of Time
    avatar
    coco

    Posts : 1276
    Join date : 2011-07-17

    Re: NO JUSTICE ON THE JUSTICE FORUM - NOR WILL THERE EVER BE Part 6

    Post  coco on Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:54 pm

    Syn0nymph ‏@Syn0nymph 3h
    @alfibab3 @MrBuskom No thinking about it you fool, it was confirmed by Leicester police. You are friends with an ex jailbird #mccann


    so's she , and he's speaking very highly of the WUM faker.

    Broho

    Posts : 798
    Join date : 2013-08-15

    Re: NO JUSTICE ON THE JUSTICE FORUM - NOR WILL THERE EVER BE Part 6

    Post  Broho on Fri Apr 11, 2014 12:16 am

    Why is that not surprising? Something to do with the line of business she's in at all?
    avatar
    Sykes

    Posts : 6813
    Join date : 2011-07-17

    Re: NO JUSTICE ON THE JUSTICE FORUM - NOR WILL THERE EVER BE Part 6

    Post  Sykes on Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:04 am

    Quote from: Air Con on Today at 10:46:15 PM
    Let me get this straight.

    Apparently only someone with expert knowledge of a subject is allowed to say they have an expert opinion.

    John has repeatedly stated that he knows Serendiptys posts are genuine and has confirmed the source of the information.

    But this isn't good enough for some of you. What do you ACTUALLY want?

    The owner of this forum, not some random unidentifiable person posting on it, has confirmed the source. But that's not good enough.

    Jeez.


    gilet
    Re: Expertise
    Oh that's funny. Everything else has to be evidenced here unless it doesn't have to be evidenced because the forum owner knows best.

    No chance to discover the truth, just lay down and accept the word as spoken.

    Way to go...


    _________________
    Truth is the Daughter of Time
    avatar
    Sykes

    Posts : 6813
    Join date : 2011-07-17

    Re: NO JUSTICE ON THE JUSTICE FORUM - NOR WILL THERE EVER BE Part 6

    Post  Sykes on Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:07 am

    gilet
    Re: Expertise
    « Reply #60 on: Today at 11:19:54 PM »
    Quote from: icabodcrane on Today at 10:54:27 PM
    I think what they 'want' is for serendipity's identity to be revealed on the open forum

    Dear God ... can you imagine what nastiness would follow if that were to happen ?

    It doesn't bear thinking about

    *shudders*


    I most certainly have never asked for anyone to be named. That is a lie if it is directed towards me.

    I have asked for evidence of claims made.

    If people make claims without offering evidence then those claims are NOT in my view worth making in the first place and most definitely will not be automatically believed by me no matter who tells me to believe them, especially when I have official police files which counter those claims.

    Evidence of the claims made can be provided with no need for anyone to be named.


    _________________
    Truth is the Daughter of Time

    Sponsored content

    Re: NO JUSTICE ON THE JUSTICE FORUM - NOR WILL THERE EVER BE Part 6

    Post  Sponsored content


      Current date/time is Thu Jun 29, 2017 4:49 am