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    OH, GAWD, HE'S AT IT AGAIN!

    Post  Sykes on Wed May 06, 2015 9:22 am

    New post  Tony Bennett Today at 7:51 am
    COMPLAINT IS MADE ABOUT THIS ARTICLE:

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    The text of the article below, the complaints are interleaved - in blue

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    COMPLAINT

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    Tuesday 5 May 2015

    Internet article, 3 May 2015, by Ben PERRIN: Exclusive

    Exclusive by Ben PERRIN

    Trolls fork out for Maddie lie cop's court bill

    COMPLAINT: Dr Goncalo Amaral is described as ‘The Maddie lie cop’. He did not lie about anything. He has held and holds an opinion about the case based on the facts as he sees them.

    The court case in Lisbon which required him to pay the McCanns 500,000 euros compensation did not say that he lied about anything. I can say this as I have studied an English translation of the full, lengthy decision of the judge, which runs to over 50 pages of A4. There is no accusation within that judgment that Dr Amaral lied.

    The core decision of the judge in the Lisbon court was that in balancing the respective rights of the parties, she had to consider Dr Goncal Amaral’s right under the European Convention of Human Rights to freedom of expression with the McCanns’ Convention right to have their reputation preserved. She came down on the side of the McCanns.

    It is relevant also to point out that this judgment defies earlier rulings of the Portuguese Court of Appeal (October 2010) and the Portuguese Supreme Court (March 2011) which decided that Dr Amaral’s book should not be banned. Below I set out the core ruling in those two judgments:

    QUOTE

    We thus arrive at this conclusion. It seems important to stress the following:

    The indicative facts that led to the McCanns being made formal suspects [arguidos] in the initial investigation were not deemed by the Ministry of Justice to be sufficient to lead to anyone being charged with any criminal offence. But those very same facts, seen through another prism and from another foundation, may well lead to a different conclusion from that reached by the Justice Ministry. The evidence that was deemed to be insufficient for a criminal prosecution can be understood in a different way, for example in an interpretation that can quite legitimately be published as a work of literature, so long as the said interpretation does not offend the fundamental rights of anyone involved. And as we have stated above, we have explained why the interpretation in Dr Amaral’s book does not offend the McCanns’ rights.

    To sum up: The main purpose of the book at issue in these proceedings - ‘Maddie: The Truth About A Lie’ - which was written by the defendant, Dr Goncalo Amaral – is to defend his personal and professional integrity, as the author himself points out straightaway in his preface, and throughout the text. The contents of the book do not violate any of the McCanns’ [the applicants’] fundamental rights.

    The actions of its being written and published are justified under the constitutional rights which belong to all of us by virtue of the European Convention on Human Rights and by Articles 37 and 38 of the Portuguese Republic’s Constitution.

    Since that is the view we have taken on the matter, it follows that the decision made by the court [in September 2009 and confirmed by the court in February 2010 must be revoked.

    The appeal by the defendant Goncalo Amaral in these proceedings is therefore allowed.

    UNQUOTE

    In both cases, these higher Portuguese courts awarded costs against the McCanns.

    The Sun’s story tells its readers that Dr Amaral is a liar.

    The recent court decision in the libel case did not rule anywhere that he had ‘lied’. The judge simply ruled that, in her judgment, his opinion on the case should hot have been published. That is wholly different from the charge of ‘lying’ which the Sun has levelled against Dr Amaral.

    The Oxford Dictionary defines a ‘lie’ as ‘a deliberately false statement’. There was nothing in the Lisbon judgment decision that remotely accuses him of making a false statement of any kind, deliberate or otherwise.

    Remedy sought

    The Sun must publish a withdrawal of their false claim that Dr Amaral lied and must apologise for it. It should explain in any correction which IPSO may authorise that the judge merely said that he was not entitled to publish his opinion. The Sun should add that the judge’s decision contradicted the earlier decisive rulings of the two highest Portuguese courts that under the European Convention on Human Rights Dr Amaral was entitled to publish his thesis.

    I add that I do not complain on Dr Amaral’s behalf. My complaint is founded on a seven-year long in-depth study of various aspects of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann and a detailed working knowledge of the six-year-long libel trial of Dr Amaral in particular. I simply do not agree to any British newspaper covered by IPSO printing outright unthruths.

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    BRIT trolls are helping pay the legal bills of an ex-cop who said Madeleine McCann's parents were behind her disappearance.

    Hundreds of donations have flooded into a sick online campaign for shamed Goncalo Amaral 56.

    COMPLAINT: There are three complaints about the above two sentences so far as accuracy and distortion are concerned:

    1) The claim that donors to Dr Amaral’s fund are ‘trolls’

    2) The claim that they are ‘sick’, and

    3) The claim that Dr Amaral is jutifiably referred to as ‘shamed’.

    The term ‘troll’ has come in the mainstream press to have two meanings. The original meaning of ‘troll’ on the internet was to refer to those who might be described as ‘time-wasters’ or ‘disruptors’ – those who joined forums and chat rooms but who did not contribute positively to discussions but, instead, disrupted and distracted the others. It has also more recently been used to describe those who use the internet and social media sites to make nasty, sometimes appalling, comments about others. On occasions this merges into criminal behaviour where people make threats of violence.

    I accept both current usages. I suggest that the Sun in using the term ‘trolls’ in this article does so in the latter sense i.e. people making nasty comments. The late Brenda Leyland, who committed suicide after being exposed by SKY News for making nasty comments about the McCanns, was for example labelled an ‘internet troll’ by the mainstream British media.

    On point (1) it is conceded that a few of those who have made donations – and there have been hundreds – might on occasions have made nasty remarks about the McCanns and might be called ‘trolls’ by the press. Unless the Sun has evidence that most of these hundreds of donors are nasty people making nasty remarks about the McCanns, their blanket description of all the donors as ‘trolls’ is inaccurate and distorted and, moreover, deeply offensive to those who may have very legitimate reasons for donating to help Dr Amaral with his legal expenses. IPSO should insist that this comment should be withdrawn.

    On point (2), the word ‘sick’, as used in this context, is clearly meant to suggest that all the hundreds who have donated are mentally ill, or have mental health ‘issues’. Again, unless the Sun has evidence that all or most of the donors are have mental health issues, IPSO should insist on grounds of accuracy and distortion that the Sun withdraw and apologise for their use of the terms ‘sick’.

    On point (3), it is claimed that Dr Amaral is ‘shamed’. It is unclear why he should be regarded as ‘shamed’:

    a) He had a very successful career as a senior detective

    b) He solved another notorious ‘missing child’ case, tjhat of Joana Cipriano, by arresting and successfully prosecuting her murderers – her mother and uncle

    c) He was removed from the investigation into the reported disappearance of Madeleine McCann only because he openly criticised the British police and security services for interfering with his investigation – a complaint with a great deal of evidence to support it - and not because of any incompetence in his investigation

    d) The concluding reports of the Head of the Portuguese Police and the Regional Attorney-General were clear in praising the comprehensive and thorough work of the team led by Dr Amaral

    e) Despite the temporary banning of his book ‘The Truth About A Lie’ for 13 months, both the Portuguese Court of Appeal and the Portuguese Supreme Court, Portugal’s two highest courts, ruled that Dr Amaral was fully entitled to publish and sell his hypothesis on the case, also ruling that his conclusions were solidly based on the facts.

    It is true that Dr Amaral was found guilty by a court of filing a false report. However, that criminal case was brought by the murderer of her own child, a woman that Dr Amaral had successfully convicted for her crime, and who lied comprehensively in court and elsewhere. Her claims of torture were not substantiated by the court, and claims that Dr Amaral had filed a false report were based on slender evidence. That is scarcely a sufficient basis for calling him ‘shamed’. The claim is a distortion (Clause 1(iii)).

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    TEXT

    Today marks the eighth anniversary since Madeleine vanished from Praia da Luz, Portugal, when she was three years old.

    An ex-British policeman is among those supporting the "injustice" of Amaral losing a libel case over allegations in his controversial book The Truth of the Lie.

    He claimed that Maddie's parents Kate 47, and Scots- born Gerry 46 faked her abduction after she died. Amaral is set to launch a costly appeal after being ordered to pay the couple from Rothley, Leics, a total of £434,000.

    Leanne Baulch, 22, of Birmingham is listed as organiser of the gofundme webpage "Legal Defence for Goncalo Amaral"- which aims to raise £25,000.

    Some donors called the libel ruling in Lisbon a "perversion of justice"
    John Green paid £10 and wrote "I am a retired policeman and will never understand how criminal proceedings have never been taken against the McCann's.

    Mary Benusis said her £50 was in memory of a Twitter troll found dead after being exposed as being behind vile social media messages about the McCanns.

    Speaking after winning the six year battle with Amaral, Kate McCann said "It was about stopping awful lies which hindered the search for Madeleine".

    Last night a family spokesman declined to comment.

    Expect the Sex and Travel option to arrive chez bennett!    Sykes


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    Re: OH, GAWD, HE'S AT IT AGAIN!

    Post  Broho on Wed May 06, 2015 4:10 pm

    He's playing at being a lawyer again is he? We all know how that goes.

    Just ask Justice Tugendhat.
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    Post  Sykes on Thu May 07, 2015 10:14 am

    From Myths with thanks.
    Whiterose » Thu May 07, 2015 9:05 am
    Just had a peek at the Havern's forum. For some reason Bennett is still going on about the 'pact of silence' made by the McCann's. Doesn't he realise it was said because they weren't allowed to speak about the investigation? It was a jail term if they broke that law?

    They are also bemoaning the fact that they have sent their 'findings' in to the police but they haven't done anything about it, well, come on!! if you have a group of people rabbiting on about whooshing curtains, moving doors, he said she said nonsense, it's no wonder isn't it? Went straight into the bin no doubt


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    Re: OH, GAWD, HE'S AT IT AGAIN!

    Post  Broho on Thu May 07, 2015 3:47 pm

    He's never been known for his ability of critical thinking.
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    Post  Sykes on Sun May 10, 2015 6:02 pm

    Wondering what the point is
    Post Tony Bennett Today
    I had a note from Admin a short while ago to say that my post (and the thread) had been removed to Admin because I had expressed my frustration in unusually strong terms that (a) people could not see that Operation Grange was a preposterous and expensive charade, (b) that the McCanns (and now the BBC and Operation Grange) had made good use of the Smithman sighting since early 2009, and (c) that hardly anyone could see what to me is plain - that the Smiths didn't see anyone that night in Praia da Luz.

    I know a handful of people on here agree with me, and I am grateful for that, but quite honestly when I am told by a couple of posters here that I have 'done the Smithman sighting to death' and many people elsewhere suggest that I am a paid McCann stooge who is deliberatey lying about 'Smithman' then I have to seriously question: what is the point? - if the vast majority are against me


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    Post  Broho on Sun May 10, 2015 6:05 pm

    He just wants a bunch of poodles to agree with him?
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    Something odd is going on on Havern's cesspit

    Post  Sykes on Sun May 10, 2015 9:36 pm

    Bennett made a few remarks about the Smith sighting on their Express thread, and for some bizarre reason 'admin' removed the whole thread. Bennett was pretty angry....

    Now, no-one can get any sense out of 'admin':


    Who is Admin these days because when I tried to message Admin it came up as saying 'user doesn't exist' ?

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    I noticed the thread went missing this morning.

    Why hasn't Admin replied to people's requests for info?

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    Please admin can we have an answer to the questions here. Is Jill and Sharonl still admin on here?
    A mod, earlier today:
    Re: Where's the @EXPRESS@ thread gone 'to'?
    Post Nina Today at 4:09 pm

    Nothing in the admin/moderator section to show other than 3 posts I removed a couple of days ago by an ex member on the fund thread.
    Sorry I cannot be more helpful.


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    Re: OH, GAWD, HE'S AT IT AGAIN!

    Post  Sykes on Mon May 11, 2015 7:04 am

    Re: Where's the @EXPRESS@ thread gone 'to'?
    Post plebgate Today at 10:25 pm

    Thank you Nina.

    Tomorrow can we be told who tweecy is and why the thread was removed - as Tony's OP was, IMO, no different to what he has posted several times before.

    It does all seem very odd.

    Thank you.
    Re: Where's the @EXPRESS@ thread gone 'to'?
    Post sharonl Today at 10:37 pm

    My apologies

    I had to temporarily remove the thread and something came up so it took longer than I thought.

    I have moved it back now but please keep it on topic


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    Post  Sykes on Mon May 11, 2015 12:21 pm

    Havern explains it all:

    Sharon is still the administrator.
    HiDeHo is still a moderator here.
    Smokeandmirrors is still a moderator but is away with work, family and new puppy commitments.
    Joy Savage is an admin on my CMOMM facebook group (and also an admin on HiDeHo's facebook group) and agreed to be a moderator here but no sooner did she come here than she was off with a serious and debilitating illness. She has said she is starting to feel a bit better so hopefully she will be back soon.
    Rainbow_Fairy is also an admin on my CMOMM facebook group aswell as a moderator here.
    Nina is our newest moderator and has been a member here for four years.
    Hentie is forum support, as is Tony, although they are not moderators.

    Luckily the forum has been pretty stable and hasn't needed much in the way of moderating.

    I am still the forum owner - I have been very busy with work and the facebook group, plus have been very poorly with a serious bone infection which has caused me to be hospitalised a couple of times, followed up by two hospital visits per week. With the possible prospect of having a foot amputated I've also been feeling down in the dumps and not very good company.

    And if that wasn't enough I'm worried about Jenny Kleeman's upcoming film and how my contribution may be changed to fit an agenda. I hope I'm wrong.

    Because I'd deleted my Admin account this person comes up as an alternative because their email address contains the words adminsupport@**** - they are a bookkeeping service.

    She'll get as much sympathy from me as she gives the McCann family, and others. And I do hope Ms Kleeman's film shows them all up as the scum they are.


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    Bennett not happy

    Post  Sykes on Mon May 11, 2015 4:07 pm

    Is this the latest attempt to smear Goncalo Amaral? His supporters Hernani Carvalho and Carlos Anjos are being prosecuted for criminal libel
    Post Tony Bennett Today at 3:14 pm

    An important story from Portugal surfaced late last week and I don’t think it has been reported on the forum yet (apologies if it has).


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    Re: OH, GAWD, HE'S AT IT AGAIN!

    Post  Sykes on Mon May 11, 2015 4:10 pm

    Correia was the Madeira lawyer who lied twice about why he became interested in the Madeleine McCann case. He later admitted that he was paid by the McCann Team to prosecute Amaral via Brian Kennedy and the disreputable Barcelona detective agency, Metodo 3.
    No, he didn't. It was CLAIMED that he said that in some disreputable rag associated with one of Amaral's many ex-lawyers.

    Frankly, if Bennett wants to do genuine Truthseeking, he would be better employed untangling the web of lies and corruption surrounding Amaral. He's probably scared of what he will find out about his unsavoury idol, though.

    Let's not forget that when Amaral took Marcos Correia and others to court, claiming his 'honour' had been insulted, the judge ruled that he had no honour in the first place, and ordered him to pay everyone's costs.

    Or that CdM had to apologise to Marcos Correia for falsely claiming that Marcos had disrupted Amaral's Fireworks Birthday Bash. After it became clear that it was Amaral and his cronies that had attacked Marcos' group - which included Amaral's ex-girlfriend, Ana Bras, that Amaral is on tape threatening to shoot.

    Lovely people in Team Amaral, NOT.


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